Live data from Hacker News

China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

economist.com

111–117 of 117 posts

Re: China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

#111
I said PAYWALLED, which was true, and there was no alternate link.

Why UP-vote inaccessible content, and then go apeshit when someone points it out?

Hacker News is degraded by this infantile, hypocritical behavior. Why perpetuate, let alone PROMOTE it?

Downvote the inaccessible CONTENT, not the remark about it. DUH.

Re: China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> being accused of fraud or other illegal activities, are those really people we want in our countries This is why countries negotiate extradition treaties. China refuses to extradite to the U.S., a matter significant when it comes to the manufacture and trafficking of fentanyl. We also have evidence China accuses political dissidents and the like of crimes they didn’t commit. There is no independent court in China.…

>We also have evidence China accuses political dissidents and the like of crimes they didn’t commit. There is no independent court in China. Doesnt sound as extreme as what Assange (Australian) is experiencing, adhoc legalized assassination attempts and up to 175 years from a secretive "rubber stamp" court [0]. Main difference being, the Chinese only apply this approach to Chinese people, while the US justifies its a…

> Assange

This is a bad comparison. Assange is being extradited. Guantanamo Bay would be a closer analog to what China is doing. The difference is the breadth and scale.

Re: China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

#113
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> First, you asked about the US when this article is about China, a very well known tactic, thank you very much. I'm American. I'm much more well versed in American issues and this is the first story that popped into my mind which I can bring up as a parallel. > Second, you really want us to believe China's attempts at getting at its critics is the same as the US trying to get at a terror suspect? As I clarified, as…

You're either rewarded by the CCP in some way, or a useful idiot for them.

You can't attack another user like this, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. Note this:

"Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data."

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

Re: China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

#114

These forces are used to spy on, harass, and oppress Chinese dissidents and human rights advocates. You can find many other news sources focused on that: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chinese+police+new+york&iar=news&i... Including the NY Times: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chinese+police+new+york+site%3Anyt... Why did the Economist omit that entirely (unless I overlooked something)? Also, why repeat Chinese government clai…

It doesn't omit it entirely: > Operation Fox Hunt is a worldwide effort to repatriate people it describes as corrupt officials (the FBI says many are also wanted for political reasons) I'd be curious to know the numbers of people being extrajudicially extradited in this way for political reasons vs actual crime, but I can't imagine those numbers are readily available.

Thanks, I overlooked that.

Re: China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

#115
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean the assertion that this was a Russian-op instead of a US-op and that the journalist is spreading misinformation. (They said the same thing about Hersh earlier too btw and were proved wrong - twice). The denials will be ameliorated after several years when no one cares about it.

What? Even with a conspiratorial mindset there's no reason to believe NATO blew up their own pipeline. There's "Iraq was justified" errors and then there's "9/11 was an inside job" errors and you're getting them confused.

It wasn't NATO's pipeline. This is the same journalist who exposed the My Lai Massacre and its denial and coverup btw.

And the President Joe Biden also exactly said this: “If Russia invades, there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2, we will bring an end to it.”

Re: China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

#116
Late to the thread but to make a comparison here are American[1] and Chinese[2] "extradition treaty blocs", 150 ~ 50 countries.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradit...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_China#/medi...

Interestingly if you are keen to slip the grasp of law enforcement (note: this is no sanction of illegal activity of any sort), and you reside in, for example, Australia Turkiye or Mexico, you are within the extradition jurisdiction to either China or USA, a kind of extremal legal coverage/exposure. The caveat being, there is a concept called dual criminality which is essentially the intersection of crimes from the one country and the extraditing country.

Extra credit: 1997 congressional report on the unprecendented (at the time) US-Hong Kong extradition treaty. [3] https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/105th-congress...

Re: China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

#117
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK if by "positive about China" you mean statements like "I like Chinese food" or "Chinese history is very interesting" then obviously this not an issue. I assumed support for the CCP and the broader Chinese political system was implicit in your concern about expressing something "positive about China". Otherwise I've no idea what the point you're making is.

Lord... That's such a simplistic black and white view of the world. You're either for us or you're against us. This is the toxic juvenile attitude that's so scary honestly. One can express support for a particular action of their government, or try to share some common misconceptions about life in China without being a supporter of the whole system. Youve really proved my point. You post anything positive and everyon…

I think you're rather clearly attacking a strawman here. For you to speak of toxic juvenility for my apparent forbidding of praise for individual actions of governments, whereas I specifically used the term "broader ... political system"... it is rich because it feels like I'm talking to a teenager who thinks they're much cleverer than they really are just because they have an opinion. What you said simply doesn't make any sense in response to what I said, so I can't even begin to engage with it.
Post reply on HN