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NYT fired editors and journalists over that > New York Times: we were wrong on Iraq 2004 https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/26/pressandpublis...
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#62China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit.
Those covid measures were they locked doors in buildings, and then people burned alive, screaming for help into the night. And that dystopian nightmare is allowed to harass all that has as ethnicity han.
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Or maybe a newspaper that was known to peddle Iraq War propaganda shouldn't be treated as the source of truth when it comes to known about America's enemies. I'm not saying that it's wrong in this instance, but it's definitely sensational. The Economist trusts that its readers can come to their own conclusion when it comes to extrajudicial extraditions. Just because they said something positive about China's motivati…
NYT fired editors and journalists over that > New York Times: we were wrong on Iraq 2004 https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/26/pressandpublis...
> NYT fired editors and journalists over that
This isn't quite what the article says. It mentions Howell Raines, but he seemed to have been ousted due to staff discontent as well as a plagiarism scandal [1].
The article also mentions Judith Miller, and her case was interesting to say the least. The NYT assigned her to work closely with American intelligence, so of course she's going to report what they have to say, so she was somewhat of a scapegoat. Then, in 2005, she gets arrested at the behest of the CIA for refusing to disclose the leaker in the Plame scandal. Only then, over a year after the NYT apologized about being wrong in Iraq, did they pressure her to resign.
[1] https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-jun-06-na-nyt6-...
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#64Irish Times- Why is there a Chinese police outpost on Dublin’s Capel Street? https://archive.ph/zQuXW
One could make the case, that the people working there should be a) arrested or b) expelled from the country. Same goes for every other nation in which China maintains those stations, they are all over Europe it seems.
But hey, at least China is doing it themselves instead ofisusing Interpol red notices like other authoritarian regimes do.
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I don’t see how this article can be read as “looking the other way” in any sense.
One way you can push propaganda as an agent is not to promote something obviously bad, especially if you would never get away with it, but to criticise it less than it deserves. Not saying it's happening in this case, but suppose you're the Economist and want to win favour with the Chinese. You might consider an article criticising this activity as infringing on the sovereignty of the west and others in the pursuit o…
The wording “suspect” comes to mind. Are they? If they are in fact dissidents.
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#66What people don't realize is that extra-judicial "persuasion" is also commonly applied for strategic business interests. I recall a discussion with a someone at an electronics company a while ago where they described recent breaches and leaks of IP to Chinese state companies by unwitting employees pressured by these extra-judicial police.
nitpick: not sure if those employees would be "unwitting", probably closer to "unwilling" or something along those lines
Coerced?
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> First, you asked about the US when this article is about China, a very well known tactic, thank you very much. I'm American. I'm much more well versed in American issues and this is the first story that popped into my mind which I can bring up as a parallel. > Second, you really want us to believe China's attempts at getting at its critics is the same as the US trying to get at a terror suspect? As I clarified, as…
You're either rewarded by the CCP in some way, or a useful idiot for them.
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One way you can push propaganda as an agent is not to promote something obviously bad, especially if you would never get away with it, but to criticise it less than it deserves. Not saying it's happening in this case, but suppose you're the Economist and want to win favour with the Chinese. You might consider an article criticising this activity as infringing on the sovereignty of the west and others in the pursuit o…
> You might consider an article criticising this activity as infringing on the sovereignty of the west and others in the pursuit of justice Yes, it reads to me like an implicit justification, an argument that the issues are merely legal, about sovereignty, and not moral and political, an attack on innocent people and on freedom.
Come to think about it. Russia took a page from the NATO supported war or terrorism euth invasion of Ukraine (badly executed as it was). And so did China, Guantanamo Bay is still not closed, prpably all the other black sites neither. And back then e.g. Germany did nothing when people were illegally flown their from German territory. In fact, the foreign minister of Germany at the time (who did exactly nothing about those kidnappings) is now German President and was re-elected for a second term last February.
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Re-reading my comments, I apologize if I came across as 'whataboutism', that is not what is intended. I just read your first link (CNN) and again, I am still left with the same question. It first states, "...using bilateral security arrangements struck with countries in Europe and Africa to gain a widespread presence internationally..." which seems to suggest the hosts countries are fully (or at minimum somewhat) awa…
> being accused of fraud or other illegal activities, are those really people we want in our countries
This is why countries negotiate extradition treaties. China refuses to extradite to the U.S., a matter significant when it comes to the manufacture and trafficking of fentanyl.
We also have evidence China accuses political dissidents and the like of crimes they didn’t commit. There is no independent court in China. But there are in America and Italy and London. China is free to furnish evidence of guilt and gain coöperation. They don’t. That’s telling.
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#70Irish Times- Why is there a Chinese police outpost on Dublin’s Capel Street? https://archive.ph/zQuXW
One could make the case, that the people working there should be a) arrested or b) expelled from the country. Same goes for every other nation in which China maintains those stations, they are all over Europe it seems. But hey, at least China is doing it themselves instead ofisusing Interpol red notices like other authoritarian regimes do.
> people working there should be a) arrested or b) expelled from the country
If they’ve threatened or kidnapped someone on behalf of the CCP, they should be tried as what they are: covert agents, possibly of an adversary.