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China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

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There's a large number of Trump associates (but not Trump himself) who've been successfully prosecuted for various sorts of overseas "collusion". This is much more than the zero one would expect. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort ; linked to Viktor Yanukovych, of the pro-Russian faction in Ukraine.

So still no evidence of Trump collusion then? Got it. What's your view of Hunter Biden being paid by Burisma?

You cant choose your family. You can choose your campaign manager.

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You’re comparing different sources, which measure different things: the stats for China are simply stated as “read and write” but the stats for America absolutely bungled in the second article. It’s terribly structured and written, so it’s hard to tell for certain, but appears to sometimes be talking about some sort of reading proficiency in English (which is possibly why California comes out so low).

> the stats for China are simply stated as “read and write”

One could argue that being able to read and write in Chinese is quite an accomplishment. For alphabet-based writing systems, kids as young as 6 y.o. can read pretty much any word they know, and write many of them. Not for Chinese.

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One could make the case, that the people working there should be a) arrested or b) expelled from the country. Same goes for every other nation in which China maintains those stations, they are all over Europe it seems. But hey, at least China is doing it themselves instead ofisusing Interpol red notices like other authoritarian regimes do.

> people working there should be a) arrested or b) expelled from the country If they’ve threatened or kidnapped someone on behalf of the CCP, they should be tried as what they are: covert agents, possibly of an adversary.

I would have trouble imagining, in the 1980s, a KGB station on M Street NW, DC. So what's with Chinese police stations ?

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What do you mean?

I mean the assertion that this was a Russian-op instead of a US-op and that the journalist is spreading misinformation. (They said the same thing about Hersh earlier too btw and were proved wrong - twice). The denials will be ameliorated after several years when no one cares about it.

What? Even with a conspiratorial mindset there's no reason to believe NATO blew up their own pipeline. There's "Iraq was justified" errors and then there's "9/11 was an inside job" errors and you're getting them confused.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy

If you're going to condemn an entire country based on local police killing a dog, surely the fact that police in your country frequently beat human beings to death is relevant.

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Has it saved lives?

Yes, undoubtedly.

China got through the most difficult part of the pandemic, when there were no vaccines, without letting the virus spread.

Over 90% of the Chinese population was fully vaccinated before the zero-CoVID policy was dropped. The biggest failure was that the vaccination rate was lower among the elderly. That's a problem that affects the Chinese cultural sphere, including Taiwan and Singapore.

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Your post history is full of pro-China political posts. Why are you on this site?

Accusing people of being shills goes against HN rules.

I don't like the simple-minded demonization of China by people who don't know anything about it. Unfortunately, that's 99% of English-language discussion of China nowadays. That doesn't make me pro-Chinese-government.

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> In an article in 2021 two scholars from Jilin University warned that pressure on police to achieve success in the repatriation of fugitives could easily lead to the use of “inappropriate” methods, including “threatening and terrorising” suspects and putting pressure on their relatives. If you owe money or are wanted in China, the government may go after your family to pressure you to return. This pressure can be as…

If only this was limited to debtors and criminals. China uses these kind of pressures to suppress political dissent even among Chinese citizens living abroad - for example, Chinese students studying at foreign universities. Here's one account: > [W]hen I was a lecturer it was relatively common to go through an entire semester without a single criticism of the Chinese regime by Chinese students in front of their class…

It's not difficult at all to find Chinese people in China who criticize the government in private conversations about politics.

What's often shocking to Westerners, however, is that most people in and from China have a fairly positive view of their country. If you start telling them that China is a dystopian nightmare, yada yada, and they push back, it's because they actually don't agree with you, and may even be offended. If they're silent, it's most likely because they don't want to get into an argument with you. You don't have to invent stories about them fearing being reported to the authorities back home.

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Debatable. Their boneheaded way of brute-forcing lockdowns probably caused more harm overall. And they failed to contain it! Not to mention the whole problem of not allowing foreign vaccines.

China's zero-CoVID policy involved a lot more finesse than "bone-headed lockdowns."

After the initial Wuhan outbreak was brought under control in early 2020, the vast majority of people in China didn't experience another lockdown until well into 2022. Life was actually much more normal in China for most of the pandemic than people in the West tend to think. It was much more normal than in the West for much of the first two years of the pandemic.

From spring 2020 until spring 2022, the main measures were 2-3 weeks of quarantine for people arriving in China, contact-tracing (supported by smartphone apps), and large-scale PCR testing (imagine testing everyone in a city of 10 million people in 3 days, and then doing it again). Lockdowns were rare until mid-2022, and were reserved for situations in which the other measures weren't enough.

That strategy worked extremely well for a long time - long enough to develop vaccines and administer them to 90% of the population.

I don't know when the decision was made to transition out of zero-CoVID, but the transition began in November 2022. It appears that the government initially wanted to do a slow transition, but then decided to completely open the floodgates in early December 2022. The fact that the virus spread so rapidly after that decision is a pretty dramatic demonstration of just how effective the measures were beforehand. After they lifted control measures, everyone was infected within two months.

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