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Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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I don't work in the US nor Europe. > Opening up "work from anywhere" is not like offshoring to save costs. More like given two equally valuable people, why should an employer pay a premium to one, just because they chose to live in a higher cost of living country? Yes, and that's progress! That's good!

Sure. I just mostly see this argument made by silicon valley people moving to Texas or whatever, and asking why they should not continue getting silicon valley comp. Most just think they're clever and exploiting the system, and the thought that they'd get paid lowly Texas (or Ohio) salaries never occurred to them.

Thanks, we seem to mostly agree.

Though I do think 'off-shoring' from California to the Ohio vs off-shoring from California to India have important aspects in common.

For better or worse, agglomeration effects are real, and for some ineffable reasons software people are more productive when located in Silicon Valley, rather than Ohio. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_agglomeration

However the pandemic forced an investment in making remote-work work. That's not even so much an investment in technology (hardware or software), but more taking the time and effort to figure out what works and doesn't work. It's full of soft factors.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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post #503

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The state of California can only tax you for the time you lived in California. Now, they may well throw a fit and try to claim you don't live out of state and use your employer information to substantiate it. But legally, they would not be able to keep you from getting a refund and paying elsewhere.

> The state of California can only tax you for the time you lived in California. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/business_law/publications...

That article is mostly about business income or investment income like sale of real estate in California. It does not apply to people living outside of California and earning wages from California based companies. Imagine all the Tesla employees in Texas and other states. They would all be paying California income tax, which is of course not the case.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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It isn't more complicated, it is just different. Here, let me hire for an office instead... "You may not struggle with office work and may do fine interacting in person, but that’s not true for a lot of people." I have people who do far better at home than in the office, and some on the other end of the spectrum. People come in all sorts of shapes and sizes and finding the right people is the same challenge regardles…

> finding the right people is the same challenge regardless. Are you claiming that the complexity of managing in-office is usually, roughly the same as managing remote teams? I'm asking towards magnitude/degree, not if both are sometimes true. If not, you are stating the obvious: "People come in all sorts of shapes and sizes" In my experience, more people struggle with remote than in-office. I've found a lot of satis…

> Are you claiming that the complexity of managing in-office is usually, roughly the same as managing remote teams?

How could a statement about recruitment be contorted into one about management

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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post #533

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No no, you stick around, reduce productivity, find suitable job offers for each of your coworkers and also show the offers to your employer. Then when the company descends into chaos and the building is pretty much on fire they still wont pay :)

that's how the new generation is solving this problem. Not showing up on time on meetings, not participating on meetings, not preparing good tickets to work on, but expecting good tickets to come off the trees, always complaining, not delivering... yup that's what we see everywhere.

Long long before the cloud and smart contracts I was fooling around with a DSL with the mission to measure what was consumed precisely (cpu cycles, kb*s worth of memory, storage, read/write, bandwidth) so that anyone may exchange the idle cycles of any computer for currency.

It was identified as a stupid idea from the start but I was curious what kind of concessions it involves. Like you cant just call a useful method anymore, it has to be known what it costs precisely given the exact work load.

It didn't take long for my mind to be blown by the completely insane overhead. Counting consumption of system resources is consumption too! While exact calculation is not very complicated every step of the way I felt tempted to just estimate it. Sorting out micro transactions in a secure way???...

Eventually I got distracted by the parallels with our society. Job agencies here charge 95% of the salary earned but the administrative overhead hardly ends there! The real cost is hidden in the estimated stuff. After all the taxes and subsidies are calculated someone at the tax office has to repeat the calculations. In some almost fixed percentage of cases mistakes are made and it takes judges, lawyers, law makers, lobby groups. Tons of expensive transactions along the way.

Before you can even get to work there are licenses, permissions, diplomas, certifications, health and sanity checks.

If your job is to dig holes one would think it involves little more than a pair of good boots and a shovel. End of the day you want a shower, a good meal, a roof over your head and some guarantee you don't have to dig holes the entire year round. (We are mistaken to think people in poorly paid grunt work are interested in trying to make ends meet.)

If you have just 20 people digging holes their performance becomes extremely measurable. They know exactly how good they are at their job. Rewarding them involves such an enormous clusterfuck of fuzzy params which may accumulate to 10 fold their salary (or more!) that their performance becomes irrelevant to their reward. The cost of accounting for it would be much larger than the cost of poor performance.

What we can do is reward their boss or their supervisor. We do that to maintain the illusion that every bit of overhead needs to be there. It is all there for a reason ofc, it is a legacy system slowly migrating from manual paperwork to automation.

You could have a very simple government app like Uber so that those who dig holes may dig holes. Customers and hole diggers can review the quality of the holes themselves. Contractors can use the API to have expensive fast holes, cheaper slow ones, an all you can eat rate or a hybrid between the 3.

But that is not going to happen, in stead we build machines to dig the holes, deploy even more administration, engineers, designers, repair shops etc lots of complicated skills required and the hole diggers can get social support while looking for other work which involves even more circus of estimates portrayed as measurement.

Some sub set of the bean counting is incredibly important and their work makes modern society what it is. Don't ask me to measure it tho.

Simplicity has its appeal. We could build monasteries where each monk maintains 1 module. If it worked for kung fu why not for array sort?

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