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Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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Post by ornornor »

lbriner wrote: post #163

I wish people would stop posting articles that imply that remote working is somehow objectively better when it has already been made more than clear that it doesn't work well for everyone. I really miss the contact from the office but since most people don't go in any more, it is not worth much of my time to travel there. Yes, we employ some people fully remotely, which is fine because that's what we knew at the time…

How about we treat adults as adults and let each one decide for themselves?

Everyone has an opinion on remote work and I’m fine with it, my problem is when PHBs mandate work from the office and make that decision for everyone regardless of personal preferences and situations.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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Post by ornornor »

paulcole wrote: post #497
ryanmcgarvey wrote: post #449

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This dilemma is precisely what people who benefit from remote work went through when most companies weren't remote friendly. My honest opinion is that most people that enjoy the office enjoy it because it's where they've gotten most of their socialization in their adult lives. As a result, they haven't built up lives outside of work. To make matters worse, our communities haven't developed to support people having "l…

It surprises me that the biggest knock on HN against people who prefer the office generally boils down to "get a life." Honestly, it's pretty insulting. And I've never seen someone comment, "I'm pro-office because I have no social life." So why is that the prevailing sentiment? To me it's more like those in favor of remote work find people who prefer office work very threatening and really look to knock them down a p…

> And I've never seen someone comment, "I'm pro-office because I have no social life."

It’s not that surprising because it’s difficult to admit to oneself.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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Post by 6510 »

pelasaco wrote: post #518
_madmax_ wrote: post #514

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> Important enough that your manager wants to secure you as part of the team I guess that can happen. I suspect in the majority of cases, you keep your shitpay even if you become a supremely efficient pillar. Employers are not friends, they're businesses who thinks like psychopaths, so manage your expectations and get as much money as you can from them. You need them but they need you, so get the juice and move on wh…

I don't assume that we are friends, but your manager knows who performs and who doesn't. So it's matter of saving his own head. So, become effective and expert and so you will always be able to get your salary corrected..and if doesn't work, you are ready to go out and search for something new

No no, you stick around, reduce productivity, find suitable job offers for each of your coworkers and also show the offers to your employer. Then when the company descends into chaos and the building is pretty much on fire they still wont pay :)

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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Post by fastball »

lampshades wrote: post #331
fastball wrote: post #322

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What about a co-working space?

I do go to a co-working space occasionally and my employer provides the credits for up to twice a week. But, it’s not the same.

Fair. I think it really depends on the co-working space and how you approach it. I've worked at some co-working spaces where there was no sense of community and it felt hard to socialize. I've worked at others that managed to cultivate very tight knit communities that were better than any socializing I've done with "real" coworkers.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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Post by nprateem »

malermeister wrote: post #489
nprateem wrote: post #482

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Such a tired, lazy retort. Why is there always this false dichotomy?

How is it a false dichotomy? People are either allowed to stay home or not. I don't wanna be forced to go in so other people can feel good about me being there.

Why don't we ask people what their preferences are and organise teams accordingly? People who prefer remote can work with others remotely, while those who prefer more time in the office could work with others who'd prefer that.

Ok not all teams could be reorganised, but I expect in reality a lot could be shuffled around.

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Post by pelasaco »

simplotek wrote: post #522
pelasaco wrote: post #478

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but that's only maybe true during the hiring process. If you work well, after some months, it will be corrected.

> but that's only maybe true during the hiring process. If you work well, after some months, it will be corrected. Never happens. I have no idea where you got this from, but someone fooled you really hard.

> Never happens. I have no idea where you got this from, but someone fooled you really hard.

Looks like you know all companies and every relationship between employee and employeer to come up to a bold conclusion. Or maybe you are just a fool.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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Post by pelasaco »

6510 wrote: post #533
pelasaco wrote: post #518

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I don't assume that we are friends, but your manager knows who performs and who doesn't. So it's matter of saving his own head. So, become effective and expert and so you will always be able to get your salary corrected..and if doesn't work, you are ready to go out and search for something new

No no, you stick around, reduce productivity, find suitable job offers for each of your coworkers and also show the offers to your employer. Then when the company descends into chaos and the building is pretty much on fire they still wont pay :)

that's how the new generation is solving this problem. Not showing up on time on meetings, not participating on meetings, not preparing good tickets to work on, but expecting good tickets to come off the trees, always complaining, not delivering... yup that's what we see everywhere.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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Post by ideamotor »

JohnFen wrote: post #516
PM_me_your_math wrote: post #510

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How do you figure? The CEO and a process employee of the company have two entirely different roles.

I think it defies belief that the highest-paid CEOs bring so much value to their company that it covers their salaries and other compensation. They are, to me, a clear indication that compensation rates are only loosely correlated to value. There is some correlation, don't get me wrong, but it looks like people are generally undervalued at the low end of the compensation spectrum and overvalued at the high end.

I think what you’ve described is the standard train track large company. For a smaller roller coaster company, I disagree.

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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Post by natymad »

ejb999 wrote: post #246
natymad wrote: post #183

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- You can easily steal code - if you were working on a company laptop with USB device protection (can't connect drives to transfer without approval) and heavy website moderation (can't send code to yourself), leaking code would prove way more difficult. Compare that to just copy+paste on your personal computer. (ofc it's possible to steal from company laptops too, but you'll leave a very visible trail). - You're a se…

Don't kid yourself, there is nothing you can do to prevent people from 'stealing' code they are working on if they are working from home or any other place where someone is not looking over their shoulder 100% of the time. There are reasons to force people to work on a corporate machine, preventing them from stealing code is not one of them.

You can't prevent any kind of theft 100%. The point of these measures is to make stealing as hard as possible without impeding work.

Some guy commented on taking photos - are y'all really planning on taking a photo for every 200 lines, on scripts with lines in the thousands, in repos which contain tens to hundreds of files, which are just for one product? When your company is probably supporting more than a couple products?

Re: Why is remote work seen as a gift?

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Post by Dracophoenix »

jjeaff wrote: post #503
RestlessMind wrote: post #469

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> The IRS/state department of revenue won't care, and they won't tell your employer California FTB very much cares if you are collecting SV salary but are not paying CA taxes by living in LCOL areas. Unless you are a CPA, please do not spread lies.

The state of California can only tax you for the time you lived in California. Now, they may well throw a fit and try to claim you don't live out of state and use your employer information to substantiate it. But legally, they would not be able to keep you from getting a refund and paying elsewhere.

> The state of California can only tax you for the time you lived in California.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/business_law/publications...

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