I am an entrepreneur & a small business owner in India. I did a small manufacturing in China & was blown away by their professionalism. The article mentions - `Chinese suppliers had a totally different attitude, aiming to exceed the Cupertino company’s expectations` - this is so true. In India, most manufacturing companies or businesses are trying to sell what they have or can produce (without any attention to detail…
50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
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Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
#162I am an entrepreneur & a small business owner in India. I did a small manufacturing in China & was blown away by their professionalism. The article mentions - `Chinese suppliers had a totally different attitude, aiming to exceed the Cupertino company’s expectations` - this is so true. In India, most manufacturing companies or businesses are trying to sell what they have or can produce (without any attention to detail…
The work ethnic thing is a real shame because I've seen this reflected through the consultancies I deal with. It is just unbothered with a lack of pride from an engineering and effort stand point. Important not to generalise as there are the odd shining examples that come through. Similarly in medicine in India, not a single drug has been developed in India that has come to market though it is a manufacturing centre…
Not true.
The first modern synthetic drug to be developed in India was Urea Stibamine in 1922 by UN Brahmachari against visceral leishmaniasis.3 Visceral leishmaniasis was a severe health burden during the early part of the 20th century, and it was a life saving drug for a large section of the population. Historically, it was the second drug developed against an infectious disease after Salversan (against Syphillis) and well before penicillin or sulfa drugs. It is still in use in many countries in a modified form.
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In spite of many odds, Indian pharmaceutical and biotech companies have been able to pile up an impressive array of more than 120 new chemical entities (NCEs) currently progressing in various preclinical and clinical stages of developments. A few examples are given below. In June 2013, Zydus Cadila launched saroglitazar (Lipaglyn), the first glitazar in the world to be approved for the treatment of dyslipidemia or hypertriglyceridemia in patients with type 2 diabetes. The drug, a dual peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor (PPAR) agonist, controls lipids by reducing triglycerides and LDL cholesterol and increasing HDL cholesterol. It also shows considerable reduction in fasting plasma glucose and glycosylated hemoglobin in a 4 mg daily dose. Earlier, in April 2012, Ranbaxy launched India’s first domestically developed antimalarial drug, Synriam. A fixed dose combination of arterolane with piperaquine, Synriam was developed as a simplified single-dose once-a-day therapy for 3 days for the treatment of acute, uncomplicated Plasmodium falciparum malaria in adults.
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Twelve new drugs have gotten Drug Controller General (India) approval from CSIR-Central Drug Research Institute, Lucknow, that includes “Centchroman”, marketed as “Saheli”, a nonsteroidal oral contraceptive pill.7 A synthetic antimalarial molecule of the endoperoxide family 97/78 from this institute is currently undergoing phase I clinical trial. In the cardiovascular area, two synthetic molecules, S007-867 and S002-333, have been developed as potent inhibitors of collagen induced platelet adhesion and aggregation that can find therapeutic applications in patients of coronary artery disease and thrombotic cerebral stroke. CSIR-IIIM, Jammu, in partnership with Cadila Pharmaceuticals, has developed a new combination drug for TB in 2009, named Risorine.8 In CSIR-Indian Institute of Chemical Biology, Kolkata, an herbal formulation has been developed for the treatment of benign prostate hyperplasia9 and is currently being marketed under the brand name “Prostalyn”. Bacosides-enriched standardized extract of the herb Bacopa monnieri, commonly known as Brahmi, has been developed by CSIR-CDRI, Lucknow, to enhance memory and learning. The product that has been licensed to M/s Lumen Marketing Co., Chennai, is being sold under different brand names in different Asian and European countries. In the area of biologicals, CSIR-Institute of Microbial Technology, Chandigarh, developed recombinant streptokinase, a “smart” clot buster that has been licensed to Nostrum, a USA based company. The protein therapeutic is being progressed through the clinical phases in India.
Reference:
Balganesh T, Kundu TK, Chakraborty TK, Roy S. Drug discovery research in India: current state and future prospects. ACS Med Chem Lett. 2014 May 23;5(7):724-6. doi: 10.1021/ml500183c. PMID: 25050153; PMCID: PMC4094254. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4094254/
Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
#163Anyone who's read outsourced code can vouch for the similar QC problems. I work with a lot of great Indian software developers; none of them worked IN India itself; they tend to be the ones that are skilled enough to quickly realize they're able to command massively higher wages by leaving India. India, despite it's reputation as a software outsourcing location has never been able to produce exportable quality beside…
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Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
#164There are scams at every single level in the Indian system. Everybody wants a cut and some extra to do their job. It is maybe one of the worst places to manufacture in the world. I know Apple needs to diversify but Vietnam and other such countries might be a better fit. The work ethic is severely lacking in India.
Similar difficulties pervade the supply chain as it passes through India, where intermediates expect to 'take a taste' of the product's value. Just try to personally carry new electronics into the country without greasing a palm or two.
As you cast aspersions on others who might be corrupt, please think about your collusion / readiness to bribe and what that says about yourself.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not about being advanced. It's about keeping promises & being honest. It might take a whole generation to fix this.
Parent commenter is right, China was like that. The difference is in the root cause: attitude. Whole world is full of ridiculously hard working Chinese people rising up from being an immigrants with nothing and running like the half economies of countries after 50 years.
What’s your point?
No idea where “half the economies of countries” is coming from? Citation needed..
Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
#166There are scams at every single level in the Indian system. Everybody wants a cut and some extra to do their job. It is maybe one of the worst places to manufacture in the world. I know Apple needs to diversify but Vietnam and other such countries might be a better fit. The work ethic is severely lacking in India.
Similar difficulties pervade the supply chain as it passes through India, where intermediates expect to 'take a taste' of the product's value. Just try to personally carry new electronics into the country without greasing a palm or two.
Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
#167It will be a fair criticism if this same factory is having same quality output 2-3 years down the line.
Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
#168I think there's something challenging to put my finger on about India, which is something like: "When you have an overall country atmosphere where you (even if you are conscientious and care) think others are not conscientious and do not care, then you will come to not be conscientious and care either." So there is an effect where enough people disobey rules or lack standards, that eventually no one follows the rules…
Yes this is classic game theory at play. And it’s true for all “low-trust” countries with shoddy rule of law. It doesn’t take decades to change behaviour though. I have seen first-hand traffic behaviour improving in my city when cameras were installed at every road intersection and fines were automatically sent to rule breakers.
Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
#169I am an entrepreneur & a small business owner in India. I did a small manufacturing in China & was blown away by their professionalism. The article mentions - `Chinese suppliers had a totally different attitude, aiming to exceed the Cupertino company’s expectations` - this is so true. In India, most manufacturing companies or businesses are trying to sell what they have or can produce (without any attention to detail…
From what I've heard, China also used to be like that, sending out cheap samples that didn't meet the specification, and the manufacturers there would tell you that they'd do it correctly next time, just for the same thing to happen again. But eventually they were able to do a good job. Give it time, Indian manufacturing is simply not as advanced as China's right now but it will be if enough investment is made.
Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
#170I think there's something challenging to put my finger on about India, which is something like: "When you have an overall country atmosphere where you (even if you are conscientious and care) think others are not conscientious and do not care, then you will come to not be conscientious and care either." So there is an effect where enough people disobey rules or lack standards, that eventually no one follows the rules…
> There is something about a critical mass of rule-breakers that sends a system into a negative spiral. Yes this is classic game theory at play. And it’s true for all “low-trust” countries with shoddy rule of law. It doesn’t take decades to change behaviour though. I have seen first-hand traffic behaviour improving in my city when cameras were installed at every road intersection and fines were automatically sent to…