A few years ago I watched an interview on youtube. Some CEO was describing doing business with India and China. Yes for China it was "can do, want to do, will do" attitude and he was generally happy. Indians - not that much. I will try to find the interview and post a link later. His description of doing business in India was a gem to watch
50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
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#42Sounds like the "decoupling" is off to a great start!
Reminds me of my experience at companies with outsourced IT support.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
From what I've heard, China also used to be like that, sending out cheap samples that didn't meet the specification, and the manufacturers there would tell you that they'd do it correctly next time, just for the same thing to happen again. But eventually they were able to do a good job. Give it time, Indian manufacturing is simply not as advanced as China's right now but it will be if enough investment is made.
It's not about being advanced. It's about keeping promises & being honest. It might take a whole generation to fix this.
That's part of what I mean by advanced as well. Yes, it might well take a generation, it took China a generation too.
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#44Anyone who's read outsourced code can vouch for the similar QC problems. I work with a lot of great Indian software developers; none of them worked IN India itself; they tend to be the ones that are skilled enough to quickly realize they're able to command massively higher wages by leaving India. India, despite it's reputation as a software outsourcing location has never been able to produce exportable quality beside…
>India, despite it's reputation as a software outsourcing location has never been able to produce exportable quality besides textiles.
It's precisely a software outsourcing location because they are unable to produce anything of value by themselves.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Thing is this is also still the really basic stuff. It's only going to get worse as they attempt to shift more complicated things. Indeed. And stats like that does make you kind of worry about pharmaceuticals where India is something like number two worldwide as supplier of APIs to the global Pharma industry. API = Active Pharmaceutical Ingredient, or typically described as "active ingredient" on the labelling of t…
The difference is India's been an API manufacturing hub for a while now, so I would think the hiccups are likely out of the system at this point. Pharma is also much less manual, and has standards and guidelines like GMP, so generally easier to export. But to really understand what 50% means in the context of Apple, it would be interesting to see how long it took China to achieve such great numbers in tech manufactur…
Excluding the recent impurities (NDMA and NDEA) that took losartan, irbesartan, and valsartan off the market for months -- made by Hetero Labs, Mylan Laboratories, and Aurobindo Pharma in India (and Zhejiang Huahai in China)?
Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
#46Anyone who's read outsourced code can vouch for the similar QC problems. I work with a lot of great Indian software developers; none of them worked IN India itself; they tend to be the ones that are skilled enough to quickly realize they're able to command massively higher wages by leaving India. India, despite it's reputation as a software outsourcing location has never been able to produce exportable quality beside…
> There are no cars or electronics, or chip fabs in this country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Motors
Anyone want to vouch for their great experience driving a Tata car?
Not exported outside the middle east and India.
Looks like they sold 5 of them in Europe in 2016.
https://carsalesbase.com/europe-tata/#:~:text=Tata%20cars%20....
Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge
#47Anyone who's read outsourced code can vouch for the similar QC problems. I work with a lot of great Indian software developers; none of them worked IN India itself; they tend to be the ones that are skilled enough to quickly realize they're able to command massively higher wages by leaving India. India, despite it's reputation as a software outsourcing location has never been able to produce exportable quality beside…
Cars are one of India’s larger exports. Cars are definitely manufactured in India- TATA, Mahindra, Maruti etc.
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#48I am an entrepreneur & a small business owner in India. I did a small manufacturing in China & was blown away by their professionalism. The article mentions - `Chinese suppliers had a totally different attitude, aiming to exceed the Cupertino company’s expectations` - this is so true. In India, most manufacturing companies or businesses are trying to sell what they have or can produce (without any attention to detail…
Back to the future has a famous scene where Doc says Japan produces junk. And Marty says they make the best stuff. Reflecting the state of Japan between 1955 and 1985z
Idea is to produce whatever crap you can initially just to get started. Eventually you’ll get better. China is in middle of this cycle.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
From what I've heard, China also used to be like that, sending out cheap samples that didn't meet the specification, and the manufacturers there would tell you that they'd do it correctly next time, just for the same thing to happen again. But eventually they were able to do a good job. Give it time, Indian manufacturing is simply not as advanced as China's right now but it will be if enough investment is made.
China's government effectively owns all of those factories. When something goes wrong, they put their hands directly into the machine to fix it. Hopefully India's government doesn't follow in their footsteps, Apple's Chinese manufacturers have a spotty track record vis-a-vis exploiting executive power.
So they're fixing gazillion of individual shops that do the business? I think you give way too much credit.
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#50So a 50% acceptance rate? Give it time.