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Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#282I've been seeing content on Tiktok where even 100 miles away they're seeing small dead fish which is apparently according to the folks making the videos a massive red flag. In general I grow super weary of companies and the government downplaying these sorts of things. It seems to constantly follow the pattern of people saying "It's not that bad" and then only years later do we actually see the horrific health and en…
Moral Mazes has many good examples of how this happens.
Aaron Swartz quoted one excerpt about an industrial accident towards the bottom of this blog: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/bizethics
Management deferred replacement of a $6M battery and the cost of its failure was 100-150M.
>People are always calculating how others will see the decisions they make. … They know that they have to gauge not just the external … market consequences of a decision, but the internal political consequences. And sometimes you can make the right market decision, but it can be the wrong political decision.
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
The reason people are so upset isn't necessarily because of the environmental impact, it's because the people who work on these trains have been warning things like this could happen for years, and when they tried to strike over it, the federal government stepped in and crushed them into submission. There was a car on that train that was on fire for at least 20 miles before the derailment. If I can get pulled over fo…
> The reason people are so upset isn't necessarily because of the environmental impact, it's because the people who work on these trains have been warning things like this could happen for years, and when they tried to strike over it, the federal government stepped in and crushed them into submission. I've seen a few people say this. I'm sympathetic to the rail workers but, what's the evidence that this derailment ha…
As I understand one of the things the rail companies want to do is have just one person running a train instead of the current two. In this case the single engineer likely would not have been able to decouple the other 10 hazardous containers and pull away. Also that this failure happened due to a seized axle or bearing is indicative of the refusal to invest in the rail equipment and safety systems. There are a number of different ways to detects failing bearings that have been at least deployed for decades. I thought I heard this might have been a broken rail but that seems to have just been a guess on the day of the accident.
"The crew was able to uncouple the locomotives and move them to safety, preventing an even bigger tragedy. This would not have been possible under the various management schemes now being proposed to operate such trains with single person crews. Further, because Train 32N carried the standard crew of two or more workers, they were able to immediately take the necessary emergency measures to ensure a safe and effective response."
From a RWU email: https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Press-Release--Fiery-Ohi...
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#284This is a really glaring example of mismanagement on the federal government's part. Apparently the number of staff who maintain the rails was cut some time before the incident, and this is the main reason the rails were not properly maintained and this accident was allowed to happen. Meanwhile the transportation department is still celebrating their accomplishments and acting like we don't have a huge disaster on our…
Why is Federal government at fault, and not, you know, the rail company that owns the railroads and collects the revenues?
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
20,000 ppm! Do you understand how high that is??
"The levels required for acute exposure risk ate very high" is factually quite different from "there is no risk from acute exposure." Additionally, an hour is also several orders of magnitude shorter than a week. I'm not saying that the residents are facing concerning exposure levels, however your attempts to dismiss that concern have been either incorrect or factually lacking. If you are trying to correct misinforma…
Parent comment referred to carcinogenicity.
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#286Before everyone loses there mind, because this story has oddly been on blast 2 weeks after the incident: VC is a gas a room temperature. None of the VC cars were ruptured in the crash. They were vented and ignited by workers to avoid explosion. Burning VC produces carbon oxides, HCl, phosgene, and formaldehyde. HCl, Phosgene become hydrochloric acid in the atmosphere. The total amount of hydrochloric acid this could…
Is there any reason to assume the burn, under these conditions, would be complete enough to fully consume the product such that there would be zero danger to the environment?
These are guys on a side of a track ostensibly just winging it. I think it's reasonable to assume the "under laboratory conditions" assessment might not completely apply to this scenario.
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is not a carcinogen in the air. They evacuated the town while they performed the controlled burn, but now the combustion products (not really carcinogens) have dispersed and it’s safe to return.
Just like 911's ground zero was safe ;) nothing to see, move along, uh what cancers are you talking about ?? you must be imagining it
Excellent example to make my point. First responders stood directly on the smoldering pile of thousands of chemical compounds for months with no PPE. You see how that is very different from the EP situation, no?
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#288Before everyone loses there mind, because this story has oddly been on blast 2 weeks after the incident: VC is a gas a room temperature. None of the VC cars were ruptured in the crash. They were vented and ignited by workers to avoid explosion. Burning VC produces carbon oxides, HCl, phosgene, and formaldehyde. HCl, Phosgene become hydrochloric acid in the atmosphere. The total amount of hydrochloric acid this could…
The reason people are so upset isn't necessarily because of the environmental impact, it's because the people who work on these trains have been warning things like this could happen for years, and when they tried to strike over it, the federal government stepped in and crushed them into submission. There was a car on that train that was on fire for at least 20 miles before the derailment. If I can get pulled over fo…
> There was a car on that train that was on fire for at least 20 miles before the derailment. If I can get pulled over for having a busted tail light, a train full of toxic chemicals should get stopped for being on fire
Ifwe did the same shit they get away with, we'd be in jail real fast
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#289Maybe I missed it but does anyone know where these things were going/delivered to? What's the use for chemicals like this? I can't seem to find any info.
Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment
#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not completely unreported but compare it to the few balloons you guys popped in the last week that made international news it's weird. Especially since these balloons are 99.9% mass hysteria
The balloons seemed to get the most coverage and hype on social media / twitter. And now the same social media / twitter is complaining about how the news spent too much time talk about the balloons. Reading the economist on a weekly basis, the balloon story didn't get the same kind of hysterical coverage that I was lead to believe by twitter. I wish people would actually spending time reading instead of just scannin…
I can tell you the balloon made front-page news for at least the BBC, the guardian, der Spiegel (Germany) and the NZ herald (New Zealand). And I'm not even talking about US news. It definitely was blown way out of proportion in regular media and not only on social media (there is probably an interesting discussion about cause and effect to be had here).