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They’re labelers, which are being quickly replaced by automation. This is a bid to secure their jobs long-term.
Idk why people are downvoting me, it’s 100% facts. Google “Project Vacation”
"This is a bid to secure their jobs long-term."
I'm not anti-opinions, just responding to your 100% facts comment.
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The point of a union is not job security. It's about giving workers collective power they may not otherwise have. What would people do with this theoretical collective power? Probably job security combined with restrictions on work. Do as little as you can while being guaranteed a paycheck. What people want is protection from being fired for no reason. How can people be fired for no reason? There is always a reason,…
I feel like you missed my point that it is not in a union's interest to protect low-performing workers. A union cannot survive without jobs, and union members are just as frustrated as anyone else when someone is not pulling their weight. To your point about labor restrictions, unions gave us two day weekends and forty hour weeks. Modern labor practices are almost entirely defined by things unions fought for and stan…
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EXACTLY no one can name a single crime committed by a company. Its only the union orgs within them. Look at Enron. The only crime commited by Enron was in its ultra left wing accounting depts. Those poor C levels were nothing but heros!
Yeah, I don't know why the Saintly unions get tarred like that. Just because some engage in racketeering and have ties to organized crime, right? It's so weird!
Tesla should take the initiative and bring in a co-operative German-style union or they are going to get stuck with an antagonistic UAW or similar.
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Elon Musk's dad was a South African millionaire. Bill Gates' mom was on the board of directors of a bank and gave him an intro to IBM execs. [0] Bezos parents invested 250k to fund Amazon. [1] Upper middle class is generational wealth already if it passes a generation. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/how-bill-gates-mother-influe... [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/02/how-jeff-bezos-got-his-paren...
Yeah those parents are all upper middle class. None of them are at all comparable to the owners of a company like VW, Tesla, or Amazon. And none of them were "heirs who own the majority of stock" nor support your claim that "just because the companies change doesn't mean the owners do". Edit to reply: You don't need to tell me about the social mobility of people living in poverty. I was born into a family of construc…
I'm not as concerned as you with the various strata of richness and the mobility between them.
I'm much more concerned with the social mobility of people living in poverty, which is pretty bad in the US compared to Europe. [0]
Key factor in that? Unions.
[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Social_Mobility_Index
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The point of a union is not job security. It's about giving workers collective power they may not otherwise have. What would people do with this theoretical collective power? Probably job security combined with restrictions on work. Do as little as you can while being guaranteed a paycheck. What people want is protection from being fired for no reason. How can people be fired for no reason? There is always a reason,…
I feel like you missed my point that it is not in a union's interest to protect low-performing workers. A union cannot survive without jobs, and union members are just as frustrated as anyone else when someone is not pulling their weight. To your point about labor restrictions, unions gave us two day weekends and forty hour weeks. Modern labor practices are almost entirely defined by things unions fought for and stan…
To your point about labor restrictions, unions gave us two day weekends and forty hour weeks. Modern labor practices are almost entirely defined by things unions fought for and standardized. The restrictions we have on work now didn't nebulously appear from the goodwill of employers.
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If a union protects people who are not doing their job from being made to do it, that is an argument for chosing a different union not against unions in general.
In the US, you don’t really have the luxury of picking a different union. This is one reason unions suck in the US.
At the larger scale, your choice is to try to convince your co-workers.
The downside of joining a minority union / members only union is not that different in the US as elsewhere, in that you generally have no legal right to be treated as a bargaining agent or in the case of some such unions they explicitly don't even try get recognition.
But even the US has examples of minority unions being voluntarily given some degree of representation:
https://eu.freep.com/story/money/cars/2014/11/12/uaw-volkswa...
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> I know someone who saved companies from bankruptcy, usually heavy industries. When he get hired he install security cameras and other measures and after a few week usually find out that a lot of people are constantly stealing valuable materials from the company. It’s always people in the union with some friends that work on the floor. It always strikes me how unions in the US are subject to these kinds of casual st…
The structure of unions is such that it facilitates and encourages seniority as well as corruption including ties to the mob. It's no accident that unions are targets of corruption by the feds for various forms of malfeasance.
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> Honestly a big part of why I quit my last job was too many unproductive/unreliable coworkers. Unproductive? Then you must really be exercised about the heirs who own the majority of stock, who can and often do siphon off the created wealth of those working and creating wealth, via dividend profit of expropriated surplus labor time. Oh, I see no such complaint. Just some co-workers who are "unproductive".
Why is it only the heirs? Shouldn’t your issue be with all future stockholders beyond the original founders and venture capitalists? Although I assume you’d feel similar about the venture capitalists? You wouldn’t happen to own any stocks, would you?
As someone who has only worked in "right to work" states, it always strikes me as absurd that people seek "job security" through a 3rd party agency rather than by individual performance and developing personal relationships. Honestly a big part of why I quit my last job was too many unproductive/unreliable coworkers. Am I just Stockholm Syndromed?
this take is kind of breathtaking? There's an entire history of workers unions in the US and around the world, famous spurring events like the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory disaster, surely you aren't just waving the entire subject off as "absurd", thinking that whole factories of garment workers for example would have success via "individual performance" ? like they'd have fire exits just for the better performing wor…