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Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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CommanderData wrote: post #13

The documentary produced by the BBC "The Modi Question", was uploaded onto YouTube several times the week of release but taken down by request of the Indian Government. I was astonished a foreign entity can stop the world watching something if they don't like it, it wasn't just geo blocked it was removed off YouTube.

Well, as an Indian let me tell you this. We don't want a propaganda piece. I am not even a huge Modi fan, but he has been investigated by various courts including the Supreme Court of India and has not been found guilty. Will BBC make a documentary about the many crimes the British did in India? With the current geo political situation, the western nations sure want to taint his image, and even destabilize India if they can.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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albertopv wrote: post #160
yutijke wrote: post #142

The Indian people want the government to have total control over the internet. You feel that's horrible? Sure, that's your right. But the moral universalism of the anglophone cultural sphere has long alienated a majority of Indians exposed to it, that at this point their opinions do not get any goodwill from Indians. Progressive media has published enough news that run absolutely opposite to the lived experience of a…

An illiberal democracy can't be a true democracy. If power can control what news and data you get, showing only positive ones, you won't really be able to judge their administration skills. If so, elections will be unjust and unfair. Countries like India and Turkey can't be really considered as true democracies at the moment, people have no more power over their governments.

India is okay. We have better democracy than both UK and USA.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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29athrowaway wrote: post #62

Why is that fuck still in power? It has been 9 years. We do not need another Putin or Xi.

Well, he was not found guilty of any of the accusations by the Supreme Court of India. As an Indian that is more than enough proof. Also Modi cannot be compared to Putin or Xi.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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MPlus88 wrote: post #132

India has A LOT of skeletons in its closet that most people, not even Indians themselves know. Outsiders' image of India is through the narrative of the media, which has no connection to reality. The Indian government is also actively engaging in fake news dissemination. Here is a tweet from Michael Kugelman, South Asia Institute Director of The Wilson Center and writer of Foreign Policy's weekly South Asia Brief Mic…

What about the disinformation and misinformation campaigns by the USA?

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by throwawayxx123 »

selfhoster69 wrote: post #107
relavir212 wrote: post #103

I think this government does not have problem with criticism, but opposition is doing very bad job of criticism itself. It fails to present proper solution/ better approach on things that matters to national security, policy and way forward for country and people dont appreciate such cynical thinking anymore. strawman arguments on high moral ground will not work after a while. As for BBC "The Modi Question", comes fr…

> I think this government does not have problem with criticism > but internal and external forces who doesn't much on Modi in politics plays same card again and again. Is the BJP's "IT cell" spreading propaganda on HN now too? EDIT: totally wrote that without checking out parent's profile > user: relavir212 > created: 16 minutes ago

I don't know why the parent is being down voted. Modi has not been found guilty. He was cleared of all charges by the Supreme Court of India after multiple scrutiny. As an Indian I have full faith in the Indian system of checks and balances. I am not even a huge Modi fan, and haven't voted for him, but I have to say these things.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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eldaisfish wrote: post #136
rustedspoon wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if courts aren’t swayed by politics, after 20 years of scrutiny and thousands of witnesses, so many days of investigations the court decided to arrest this person. We either trust the the sanctity of the court or we don’t. If anything, to be neutral the documentary should have kept a lot of time discussing the Supreme courts ruling and either bust it rulings or agree to it, but to totally ignore it.

No, i reject this idea entirely. Court judgements are made by humans and humans err. This is not the binary you are making it out to be. Indian courts are hamstrung by the rest of the Indian legal system and are routinely used to silence dissent and harass the small fry.

This is not true. Indian courts are very much functional and is not elected by politicians. So they are not as hamstrung as any US courts if you are going to start comparing. Only issue is the long delays involved.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by throwawayxx123 »

Idk__Throwaway wrote: post #149
windows_kernel wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That documentary is based on fake news and intended to destabilize India's social harmony. The arguments it makes have been rejected by the supreme court of India.

We have investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong.

Are you saying Supreme court of India is in bed with Modi? That is a very strong accusation. Modi didn't investigate himself and give himself a clean chit. He was been scrutinised by Supreme Court of India multiple times. And we have much better functioning courts. Many BJP party members who has been found guilty of various things have been punished by Courts. This BBC propaganda piece has been made now only because Modi didn't do as per the wishes of war mongering western governments.

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Post by unmole »

throwawayxx123 wrote: post #161
CommanderData wrote: post #13

The documentary produced by the BBC "The Modi Question", was uploaded onto YouTube several times the week of release but taken down by request of the Indian Government. I was astonished a foreign entity can stop the world watching something if they don't like it, it wasn't just geo blocked it was removed off YouTube.

Well, as an Indian let me tell you this. We don't want a propaganda piece. I am not even a huge Modi fan, but he has been investigated by various courts including the Supreme Court of India and has not been found guilty. Will BBC make a documentary about the many crimes the British did in India? With the current geo political situation, the western nations sure want to taint his image, and even destabilize India if t…

> Well, as an Indian let me tell you this. We don't want a propaganda piece.

Speak for yourself. As an Indian, I don't want the government telling me what I can't watch.

> investigated by various courts including the Supreme Court of India

The same Supreme Court also ruled that the 2G Scam did not happen. Would you like to acquire an ownership interest in the Bandra-Whorli Sea Link?

> Will BBC make a documentary about the many crimes the British did in India?

They did even in the face of backlash from British Nationalists: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/historians-accuse-bbc-new...

> taint his image, and even destabilize India

So, Modi is India and India is Modi?

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by unmole »

rustedspoon wrote: post #130
eldaisfish wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone wondering - the evidence implicating Modi "vanished". No court will convict someone without evidence and the Indian prosecution in general has a record of doing a shit job in gathering implicating evidence when influential folks are involved. Also, the one member of the indian bureaucracy who dared to question Modi's role in the riots - Sanjiv Bhatt - was sentenced to life in prison. I am not sure what the…

if courts aren’t swayed by politics, after 20 years of scrutiny and thousands of witnesses, so many days of investigations the court decided to arrest this person. We either trust the the sanctity of the court or we don’t. If anything, to be neutral the documentary should have kept a lot of time discussing the Supreme courts ruling and either bust it rulings or agree to it, but to totally ignore it.

I have 2 words for you: 2G Scam.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #46
themitigating wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, companies have to adhere to the laws of a country or stop doing business there. The blame lies with the Indian Government

OP is arguing that they should choose to stop doing business instead of adhere to the laws.

The article is about the Indian government not tech companies, stop encouraging this obvious deflection
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