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Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by tayistay »

542458 wrote: post #87
tayistay wrote: post #81

Well, in response, the US govt could (in theory) break up YouTube into YouTube and YouTube India, thus freeing the US version from foreign influence. Perhaps this is another reason why companies shouldn't be allowed to get so big.

I appreciate the thought behind this, but I don’t see how it would work when India would not saddle their own social media with the same antitrust restrictions. Imagine the Indian equivalent to TikTok or whatever, which would be (by virtue of being huge and having better network effects) competing against a field of weaker American competitors. You could of course ban the foreign product, but that feels like we’d jus…

Historically, breaking up large companies has been good for innovation (AT&T for example) so I wouldn't assume a field of weaker American competitors, but I'll grant that perhaps social media has network effects that make for a different dynamic.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by whimsicalism »

mc32 wrote: post #92
MichaelZuo wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't New Delhi just tell Youtube HQ to obey worldwide and enforce it on all their subsidiaries, or lose the market? In that case it wouldn't matter how many intermediary entities are there between HQ and local operations.

Yah right now they could take that stand. In the future I can imagine an international governing body that would set rules around these things.

Seems like if you can just will an international governing body into existence, there isn't even any need for subsidiary cloak-and-dagger.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by relavir212 »

I think this government does not have problem with criticism, but opposition is doing very bad job of criticism itself. It fails to present proper solution/ better approach on things that matters to national security, policy and way forward for country and people dont appreciate such cynical thinking anymore. strawman arguments on high moral ground will not work after a while.

As for BBC "The Modi Question", comes from wrong place itself. India has left that issue long ago, but internal and external forces who doesn't much on Modi in politics plays same card again and again.

Few videos I found to their narrative - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkVQ4RNxBB4

Truth about Godhra 2002 riot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcn4Yv-dR-Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUI1Cc0gkcU

PS: Author AKASH BANERJEE is well know youtuber who extreme leftist. India's are not interested in people who cant represent them anymore. We lack centrist government / opposition.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by pudiran »

vijaybritto wrote: post #85
jaldhar wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pardon me for interrupting in the middle of a “LITERALLY HITLER REEE!” but LOL if you don’t think every every other political party isn’t trying to appeal to some caste or the other particularly at the local level. Of course they do because democratic politics is about people first and ideas second. In India jati is the basic unit of society, in Ancient Greece it was the Demos (which is exactly the same thing) and in…

Yup he gets things done. Just like he got a pogrom done and shown their place. Also thank you for proving my point above. Lol

Dear Britto, can you elaborate on the pogrom with the facts please. No hyperbole, no lies, no hearsay. Please provide all proper sources. Or else, apologize for spreading fake news, smearing a group of people and ignoring or denying actual pogroms like that happened in Kashmir.

If you cannot do either, you need to wear the garland of shame, lies and more.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by Hizonner »

newswasboring wrote: post #76
Hizonner wrote: post #65

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They make money selling the rights to stuff they produce in other parts of the world. Maybe not for this particular show, but in general. They presumably treat everything on the service exactly the same, because it would cost them money to do otherwise, and also because they probably don't want to pay for the bandwidth for foreign users. I suspect you probably have to have a UK TV license to watch it, too, which mean…

At some point BBC needs to make a streaming service for everyone. Anyone with a 100 video content library is making their own, BBC is leaving money on the table I think. Unless licensing their content makes them way more money, the only other blockers I can think of are competence related and things being slow because of BBC's semi government organization.

Counterpoint: Nobody wants to subscribe to 100 services. If you're not in say somebody's top 3, that person is probably not going to buy your service. Therefore, if you don't believe that you will be in the top 3 for some fairly large number of people, you should not try to start your own consumer-facing service.

The BBC might correctly determine that, although it's a respected content producer, it doesn't have enough of that kind of power to make it work... except in the UK, where it already has a captive audience of "subscribers".

That applies at least until there is a universally adopted micropayment system, and maybe after that, too.

On edit, as a by-the-way: While it's true that everybody with a library is trying to do that, that only proves that it's trendy. Where are the numbers that say it's actually profitable?

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by karmakaze »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #80
mc32 wrote: post #68

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One solution (not an ideal solution) might be where every entity that wants to serve the citizens of a sovereign country have to have a local company that serves the local population, a local subsidiary like in most brick and mortar industries. They may even require that all compute happen locally. And of course that all content and so on meet local regulations. Sort of like what we see with other telecommunication,…

Couldn't New Delhi just tell Youtube HQ to obey worldwide and enforce it on all their subsidiaries, or lose the market? In that case it wouldn't matter how many intermediary entities are there between HQ and local operations.

What if Alphabet calls the bluff and stops serving all of their services in the market. The population would know why which wouldn't be a good look for leaders. Google is too invested in $earch to call a bluff though.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by selfhoster69 »

relavir212 wrote: post #103

I think this government does not have problem with criticism, but opposition is doing very bad job of criticism itself. It fails to present proper solution/ better approach on things that matters to national security, policy and way forward for country and people dont appreciate such cynical thinking anymore. strawman arguments on high moral ground will not work after a while. As for BBC "The Modi Question", comes fr…

> I think this government does not have problem with criticism

> but internal and external forces who doesn't much on Modi in politics plays same card again and again.

Is the BJP's "IT cell" spreading propaganda on HN now too?

EDIT: totally wrote that without checking out parent's profile

> user: relavir212

> created: 16 minutes ago

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by xxpor »

rushabh wrote: post #7

Yes there is increasing threat to freedom of speech, but India is not new to this. The left leaning Congress had even worse norms when they imposed martial law (Emergency). India has a robust sphere of public debate and draconian laws and acts of discrimination by the government are regularly criticised. In more cases than not the government embarrasses itself by its clumsy use of power to restrict opposition, like i…

The Emergency was 50 years ago. Things change over time.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by [deleted] »

mc32 wrote: post #92
MichaelZuo wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't New Delhi just tell Youtube HQ to obey worldwide and enforce it on all their subsidiaries, or lose the market? In that case it wouldn't matter how many intermediary entities are there between HQ and local operations.

Yah right now they could take that stand. In the future I can imagine an international governing body that would set rules around these things.

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Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by dddnzzz334 »

relavir212 wrote: post #103

I think this government does not have problem with criticism, but opposition is doing very bad job of criticism itself. It fails to present proper solution/ better approach on things that matters to national security, policy and way forward for country and people dont appreciate such cynical thinking anymore. strawman arguments on high moral ground will not work after a while. As for BBC "The Modi Question", comes fr…

If the government doesn't have problem with criticism, why do they censor people left and right and impose the draconian UAPA on any media which criticizes them? Your linked videos are quite literally propaganda pieces by a well-known propaganda channel. >Akash Banerjee is a leftist. He isn't.
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