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Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by jaldhar »

gautamdivgi wrote: post #56
vijaybritto wrote: post #25

I have learnt a very valuable lesson about my country's people at the face of the fascist govt. Caste affinity triumphs anything and everything. No matter how cruel the BJP is, their core vote bank which is the Upper caste population are not going to deviate away from them. The BJP has perfected formulas to win elections using hook or crook in every state now. Modi is going to do more fascist stuff and take away righ…

Ummm - Modi is from one of the backward classes. Amit Shah is a Jain not Hindu upper caste. The president is a tribal woman. This whole upper caste bashing doesn’t reflect reality.

FYI, Though the ideologies are different Jains socially are just another Hindu sect and definitely upper caste by any definition.

But otherwise agree with you. Yogi Adityanath another possible successor to Modi is also not from a privileged background.

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Post by marcosdumay »

wkat4242 wrote: post #54
jamal-kumar wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not outside of the UK without a VPN (And let's be honest, who buys one in a country which has restricted internet to begin with?) but if they haven't blocked this link in your locale here's an option to watch it as well: https://archive.org/details/india.-the.-modi.-question.-s-01...

> And let's be honest, who buys one in a country which has restricted internet to begin with? It would be the first thing I'd get in a country with restricted internet :)

You'd buy a VPN outside of that country, not inside it.

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Post by foverzar »

CommanderData wrote: post #13

The documentary produced by the BBC "The Modi Question", was uploaded onto YouTube several times the week of release but taken down by request of the Indian Government. I was astonished a foreign entity can stop the world watching something if they don't like it, it wasn't just geo blocked it was removed off YouTube.

What surprises me is that these kind of thing often get treated as "all or nothing". Why remove it, instead of a geo block? 451 HTTP code is a thing.

Stories like that always make me think that this is always some kind of a political play on the side of western media platforms, likely coming from ex-spooks they like to hire so much. Especially judging by how e.g. in Russia, YouTube has learned to play nice over time and generally doesn't act like it's "delete everywhere or leave as is" kind of choice.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by jaldhar »

dctoedt wrote: post #59
smoldesu wrote: post #11

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Companies do want to profit, but a lot of them (eg. Microsoft, Google, Amazon) draw the line somewhere. Many of those companies refuse to do business in China because their demands are too extreme. Other businesses that choose to operate in China are forced to lie to their customers and directly jeopardize their user's data. Look at iOS, which needs constant radical changes to comply with CCP demands. Be it changing…

> Companies want to profit. Maybe tax the sh*t out of whatever profits they make in oppressive countries? "Go ahead and profit from dealing with Whateverstan, but we'll take most of it away from you."

And then refund the taxes when the governments themselves make deals with the same oppressive countries?

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Post by 0x5FC3 »

random314 wrote: post #45
0x5FC3 wrote: post #31

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A hitjob is a hitjob, but a pogrom is not a pogrom?

EDIT: My response was sarcastic. Just characterizing the right wing misinformation accounts on HN. The pogrom is an internal matter. A hitjob is external interference. /s Btw, I watched the documentary and it actually covers the Supreme court judgement, so the responding accounts are actually spreading misinformation.

> The pogrom is an internal matter. A hitjob is external interference.

I find myself continually dumbfounded by the kind of reasoning and justifications, the supporters BJP come up with. Thousands of people killed and in many cases, even worse. Terming it an "internal matter" is being cruel beyond my comprehension.

> Btw, I watched the documentary and it actually covers the Supreme court judgement, so the responding accounts are actually spreading misinformation.

So you're implying the Supreme Court has a "Ministry of Truth" type of thing going on? How many judges transferred, maligned and were even killed for clean chits? Institutions ceased being autonomous and ethical a long time ago in India.

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Post by newswasboring »

Hizonner wrote: post #65
wkat4242 wrote: post #57

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But for the content they make, they own the rights. Including this doc, right? So what's the problem?

They make money selling the rights to stuff they produce in other parts of the world. Maybe not for this particular show, but in general. They presumably treat everything on the service exactly the same, because it would cost them money to do otherwise, and also because they probably don't want to pay for the bandwidth for foreign users. I suspect you probably have to have a UK TV license to watch it, too, which mean…

At some point BBC needs to make a streaming service for everyone. Anyone with a 100 video content library is making their own, BBC is leaving money on the table I think. Unless licensing their content makes them way more money, the only other blockers I can think of are competence related and things being slow because of BBC's semi government organization.

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Post by ignoramous »

CommanderData wrote: post #13

The documentary produced by the BBC "The Modi Question", was uploaded onto YouTube several times the week of release but taken down by request of the Indian Government. I was astonished a foreign entity can stop the world watching something if they don't like it, it wasn't just geo blocked it was removed off YouTube.

> ...it wasn't just geo blocked it was removed off YouTube.

"Later today, I have the honor of meeting with His Excellency Prime Minister Modi to discuss how we are supporting small businesses and start-ups, investing in cybersecurity, providing education and skills training, applying AI in sectors like agriculture and healthcare, and other priorities."

A message from our CEO: https://archive.is/t3f7R / https://blog.google/inside-google/message-ceo/optimism-india...

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Post by [deleted] »

foverzar wrote: post #73
CommanderData wrote: post #13

The documentary produced by the BBC "The Modi Question", was uploaded onto YouTube several times the week of release but taken down by request of the Indian Government. I was astonished a foreign entity can stop the world watching something if they don't like it, it wasn't just geo blocked it was removed off YouTube.

What surprises me is that these kind of thing often get treated as "all or nothing". Why remove it, instead of a geo block? 451 HTTP code is a thing. Stories like that always make me think that this is always some kind of a political play on the side of western media platforms, likely coming from ex-spooks they like to hire so much. Especially judging by how e.g. in Russia, YouTube has learned to play nice over time…

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Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by MichaelZuo »

mc32 wrote: post #68
scottLobster wrote: post #26

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"You want access to my market of a billion potential consumers? Do what I say!" Simple as that really. The government of Tuvalu making a similar request probably would have been politely ignored.

One solution (not an ideal solution) might be where every entity that wants to serve the citizens of a sovereign country have to have a local company that serves the local population, a local subsidiary like in most brick and mortar industries. They may even require that all compute happen locally. And of course that all content and so on meet local regulations. Sort of like what we see with other telecommunication,…

Couldn't New Delhi just tell Youtube HQ to obey worldwide and enforce it on all their subsidiaries, or lose the market?

In that case it wouldn't matter how many intermediary entities are there between HQ and local operations.

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