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Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by IlliOnato »

foverzar wrote: post #73
CommanderData wrote: post #13

The documentary produced by the BBC "The Modi Question", was uploaded onto YouTube several times the week of release but taken down by request of the Indian Government. I was astonished a foreign entity can stop the world watching something if they don't like it, it wasn't just geo blocked it was removed off YouTube.

What surprises me is that these kind of thing often get treated as "all or nothing". Why remove it, instead of a geo block? 451 HTTP code is a thing. Stories like that always make me think that this is always some kind of a political play on the side of western media platforms, likely coming from ex-spooks they like to hire so much. Especially judging by how e.g. in Russia, YouTube has learned to play nice over time…

Because they can? Because they don't want it to be watched outside of India either? By foreigners, by millions of Indians abroad, by millions in India on VPN?

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Post by MPlus88 »

India has A LOT of skeletons in its closet that most people, not even Indians themselves know.

Outsiders' image of India is through the narrative of the media, which has no connection to reality. The Indian government is also actively engaging in fake news dissemination. Here is a tweet from Michael Kugelman, South Asia Institute Director of The Wilson Center and writer of Foreign Policy's weekly South Asia Brief

Michael Kugelman on Twitter: "The scale and duration of the EU/UN-centered Indian disinformation campaign exposed by @DisinfoEU is staggering. Imagine how the world would be reacting if this were, say, a Russian or Chinese operation." / Twitter

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by nhchris »

CommanderData wrote: post #13

The documentary produced by the BBC "The Modi Question", was uploaded onto YouTube several times the week of release but taken down by request of the Indian Government. I was astonished a foreign entity can stop the world watching something if they don't like it, it wasn't just geo blocked it was removed off YouTube.

> I was astonished a foreign entity can stop the world watching something

While I'm just as displeased with India censoring stuff for the rest of us, keep in mind that for most of the world, Google/YouTube is that censorious foreign entity.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by pmarreck »

CommanderData wrote: post #13

The documentary produced by the BBC "The Modi Question", was uploaded onto YouTube several times the week of release but taken down by request of the Indian Government. I was astonished a foreign entity can stop the world watching something if they don't like it, it wasn't just geo blocked it was removed off YouTube.

S01E01: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3C378A82CF67A1107523CA6C647077403A1EF74D&dn=India%20The%20Modi%20Question%20S01E01%201080p%20HDTV%20H264-DARKFLiX&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.to%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.me%3A2780%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.to%3A2730%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fp4p.arenabg.com%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.torrent.eu.org%3A451%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.tiny-vps.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce

S01E02: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:F55992F922B9A0E49C09E198835F0F06EE07635B&dn=India%20The%20Modi%20Question%20S01E02%201080p%20HDTV%20H264-DARKFLiX&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.to%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.me%3A2780%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.to%3A2730%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fp4p.arenabg.com%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.torrent.eu.org%3A451%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.tiny-vps.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce

Still seems pretty available here. =)

Everyone's anti-bittorrenting until some asshole with more power but even more insecurity comes along and refuses to be legitimately criticized or questioned.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by daemoens »

nhchris wrote: post #133
CommanderData wrote: post #13

The documentary produced by the BBC "The Modi Question", was uploaded onto YouTube several times the week of release but taken down by request of the Indian Government. I was astonished a foreign entity can stop the world watching something if they don't like it, it wasn't just geo blocked it was removed off YouTube.

> I was astonished a foreign entity can stop the world watching something While I'm just as displeased with India censoring stuff for the rest of us, keep in mind that for most of the world, Google/YouTube is that censorious foreign entity.

Is this because of DMCA/copyright takedowns or something else?

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by eldaisfish »

rustedspoon wrote: post #130
eldaisfish wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone wondering - the evidence implicating Modi "vanished". No court will convict someone without evidence and the Indian prosecution in general has a record of doing a shit job in gathering implicating evidence when influential folks are involved. Also, the one member of the indian bureaucracy who dared to question Modi's role in the riots - Sanjiv Bhatt - was sentenced to life in prison. I am not sure what the…

if courts aren’t swayed by politics, after 20 years of scrutiny and thousands of witnesses, so many days of investigations the court decided to arrest this person. We either trust the the sanctity of the court or we don’t. If anything, to be neutral the documentary should have kept a lot of time discussing the Supreme courts ruling and either bust it rulings or agree to it, but to totally ignore it.

No, i reject this idea entirely.

Court judgements are made by humans and humans err. This is not the binary you are making it out to be. Indian courts are hamstrung by the rest of the Indian legal system and are routinely used to silence dissent and harass the small fry.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by nradov »

eunos wrote: post #67
unpopularopp wrote: post #9

We already have "multiple Internets". See China, there is barely anything common ground between the services "we" use and China use.

EU biggest mistake is not making "another internet" to nurture their homegrown big techs.

How exactly could the EU have blocked Wikipedia, Apple, YouTube, Facebook, etc throughout the entire bloc? That seems politically unrealistic and contrary to the founding principles.

The EU tried to grow some local big techs with government subsidies but the results were predictably garbage. The Airbus business model doesn't transfer well to consumer technology. If the EU really wants homegrown big techs then they need to reduce employee protections, eliminate red tape, encourage venture capital markets, and make business bankruptcies easier.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by bilbo0s »

karmakaze wrote: post #106
MichaelZuo wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't New Delhi just tell Youtube HQ to obey worldwide and enforce it on all their subsidiaries, or lose the market? In that case it wouldn't matter how many intermediary entities are there between HQ and local operations.

What if Alphabet calls the bluff and stops serving all of their services in the market. The population would know why which wouldn't be a good look for leaders. Google is too invested in $earch to call a bluff though.

They did that with China.

And Chinese entrepreneurs just kind of said, "SWEET!", then swept in with their own startups offering those services.

I'd imagine there are a lot of Indians, even here in the US, that would make a headlong rush back to India to start up web service companies if our companies said we won't service India any longer.

Re: India’s government wants total control of the internet

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Post by Apocryphon »

eunos wrote: post #67
unpopularopp wrote: post #9

We already have "multiple Internets". See China, there is barely anything common ground between the services "we" use and China use.

EU biggest mistake is not making "another internet" to nurture their homegrown big techs.

Minitel?
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