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Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by redeeman »

rebolek wrote: post #168
redeeman wrote: post #156

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> By the time the pipeline was bombed, it was clear that the EU wasn’t going to cave into Russian demands to stop supporting Ukraine. it is clear that the ruling class didnt want to, but there was increasing pressure from the people of germany and also other parts of EU to approve nord stream 2. And the US simply couldnt accept that the possibility that they would cave to pressure from the people(the horror). Its pro…

This is straight up ruSSian propaganda. I'm disgusted.

edit: assuming this wasnt /s

you got me, putin secretly sends me bitcoin, and photos of him riding horses shirtless, as I so desperately crave that.

What a marvellous argumentative tool you have, anything you disagree with that can in some way be classified as "russia might think this way", and you have a magical out where you percieve yourself to have won the argument. And with moral superiority too!

I have heard that putin recommends you breathe oxygen regularly, I would strongly recommend you cease listening to russian propaganda, and do the right thing here

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by mardifoufs »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #166
redeeman wrote: post #157

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when can we replace the regimes in the west with someone sane?

After we make up a bunch of fairy tales about Nazis and invade Canada?

True. Fairy tales about WMDs and a million deaths in iraq is more civilised.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by bigdict »

InTheArena wrote: post #165
bigdict wrote: post #160

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Perfect symmetry: > Don’t invade other countries murder innocents, kill babies. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/where-is-ou... > Want to be trusted? Follow the treaties you signed. https://qz.com/1273510/all-the-international-agreements-the-... > Don’t want to be accused of breaking g your obligations? Read the UN charter. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War The upshot is unfortu…

Simply ignoring the points? Just as a reminder, here they are again: Iraq gassed their own citizens, tried to assassinate a U.S. president, invaded their neighbors, engaged in terrorism (not Al Qaeda). At the time of the gulf war there were regularly trying to shoot down iUS and NATO aircraft in the no-fly zone designed to keep Saddam from killing the Kurds. Iraq was a horrible mistake and tragedy - but no oil was st…

Not sure why you are trying to move the goalposts. Look where our discussion started.

In your more recent reply above you cherry-picked the features of both wars in a way that's supposed to make your argument look valid. You ignored facts that contradict it.

I don't think you are arguing in good faith and are prepared to change your position. You seem to model Russia as "the enemy" that does everything bad. That's fine by me.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by bandyaboot »

FpUser wrote: post #124
bandyaboot wrote: post #72

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Russia had zero logical reasons to blow it up. I don’t have any trouble believing that Putin’s devotion to rational decision making is less than complete at this point—particularly when it comes to doling out retribution to the west. The idea that the US would risk making itself a pariah amongst its NATO allies, particularly right now does not seem believable to me.

>"The idea that the US would risk making itself a pariah amongst its NATO allies" NATOS biggest financial backer, strongest military that is actually capable of something and projects force all over the world, financial power that can tell to Swiss banks how high to jump or else and tell other countries what they can sell and to whom. Without the US NATO is irrelevant. I think your "US would risk making itself a pari…

I suppose debating the finer points of international diplomacy would be a rather pointless endeavor at this point if we can’t even agree that, depriving a close ally of energy that it uses to fuel its industry and keep its citizens warm through the winter, would entail some non zero level of risk.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by avmich »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #170
avmich wrote: post #161

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I don't agree that some of your statements are facts. However, pretty much all countries have unjust conflicts in their history, where they were on the wrong side. That doesn't mean it should continue. I'll refrain from commenting on Syria topic - I feel it justifies better facts on the table and longer discussion than this place allows. You may think what you want. Maybe it's time for many countries to keep to thems…

> However, pretty much all countries have unjust conflicts in their history, where they were on the wrong side. That doesn't mean it should continue. We're not talking about far away history... we're talking about our soldiers occupying foreign sovereign countries right now, today. This is not a germany WW2 situation, where they got fucked, repaid some of the damage, said that they won't repeat history and two genera…

> If we wanted to be better than putin, there's 1 year (minus 11 days) gone by, with us pointing a finger, while we're doing the same...

> Because we're the same.

I really doubt USA fights at the moment anything close to what's going on in Eastern Ukraine. I think you're biased.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by CamperBob2 »

mardifoufs wrote: post #172
CamperBob2 wrote: post #166

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After we make up a bunch of fairy tales about Nazis and invade Canada?

True. Fairy tales about WMDs and a million deaths in iraq is more civilised.

Whatabout

Whatabout

Whatabout

If that's all you've got -- and that is, indeed, all you've got -- then just pipe down and save the bandwidth. We didn't try to take over and annex Iraq. We got rid of a dictator. Should we have done that? No, of course not. But it's hardly comparable to what Putin is doing, and your value system is horribly broken if you think otherwise.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by bryananderson »

Nginx487 wrote: post #137
bryananderson wrote: post #116

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This is outdated, unfortunately. The Russian space program has suffered from immense brain-drain, budget cuts, and corruption, all of which have worn it down over 30 years and resulted in vastly reduced quality control. In the past handful of years, on ISS alone, there have been: * Progress coolant leak * Soyuz coolant leak * Nauka module rogue thruster sending entire station spinning out of control * Soyuz hull leak…

Why "unfortunately"? When space program of basically bigger size North Korea suffers of brain drain and incompetence, it's a good thing by all means (I'm Russian myself)

I mean that what the Russian state as a whole has become—including a space program that once made humanity proud—is unfortunate. The current Russian state (space program included) becoming an international pariah cannot happen soon enough, and I would love to see the other ISS partners think seriously about how to continue without Russia (not easy but doable—main capability that must be duplicated is the ability to reboost the station, which is hardly a big unknown problem).

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by mardifoufs »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #176
mardifoufs wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. Fairy tales about WMDs and a million deaths in iraq is more civilised.

Whatabout Whatabout Whatabout If that's all you've got -- and that is, indeed, all you've got -- then just pipe down and save the bandwidth. We didn't try to take over and annex Iraq. We got rid of a dictator. Should we have done that? No, of course not. But it's hardly comparable to what Putin is doing, and your value system is horribly broken if you think otherwise.

I never said whatabout anything lol. You were the one trying to downplay what happened in iraq just because the US graciously didn't annex it (which is not saying a lot when you destroy the country so completely that you guarantee it won't ever be a threat anymore). That's a completely arbitrary goalpost, that conveniently stops right at what your own side didn't do. It's exactly the equivalent of russian apologists arguing that "yeah we invaded a country, but at least it was to defend our direct borders and it wasn't invading and destroying a country on the other side of the world". How convenient.

I get that crying about whataboutism is the trendy way to deflect and be openly hypocritical. But at least do it when it makes sense, not when you get called out for downplaying warcrimes.

I think your value system is even more broken when you dismiss and downplay an entire region being destabilized for generations, a million lives lost and countless more ruined because your side did it "with good intentions", or because gasp someone said a hecking whataboutism.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by rstuart4133 »

bigdict wrote: post #76
bandyaboot wrote: post #66

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Russia had already been increasingly cutting gas supplies to Europe before the Nordstream pipeline was sabatoged. They weren’t just threatening.

If that's true, why blow up your own infrastructure when you can just cut the supply?

From https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2022/09/29/russian-s... :

If Nord Stream is shut down suddenly through “force majeure,” a sudden uncontrollable stop that is the fault of neither party, then Russia can void its obligations toward European stakeholders without legally breaking contracts, thus dodging the many penalties in doing so.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

avmich wrote: post #175
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, pretty much all countries have unjust conflicts in their history, where they were on the wrong side. That doesn't mean it should continue. We're not talking about far away history... we're talking about our soldiers occupying foreign sovereign countries right now, today. This is not a germany WW2 situation, where they got fucked, repaid some of the damage, said that they won't repeat history and two genera…

> If we wanted to be better than putin, there's 1 year (minus 11 days) gone by, with us pointing a finger, while we're doing the same... > Because we're the same. I really doubt USA fights at the moment anything close to what's going on in Eastern Ukraine. I think you're biased.

> I really doubt USA fights at the moment anything close to what's going on in Eastern Ukraine. I think you're biased.

Imagine if 'the rest of the world' was arming afghanis, giving them intelligence and satellite data, starlink, training their soldiers and sending mercenaries... plus of course hundreds of billions of dollars/euros... the afghanistan war would look even worse than vietnam did for americans.

Since we didn't help them, but helped the agressors, afghanistan fell relatively fast. ...and after 20 years and trillion of dollars, they managed to replace the taliban with the taliban.

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