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Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by avmich »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #143
avmich wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People first need safety, and only after that working factories, and there's tremendous suspicion in Europe that here we have a replay of sad events some 80 years ago. Politicians can shit all day, and people can be gullible as worms, yet sometime they add two with two and figure out that spending more today and changing the energy sources for tomorrow may save them from having to spend all and above to maintain the…

For "the rest of the world", the "sad events" have been happening literally right now, or during the last 80 years... syria, libya, afghanistan, iraq, iraq again, yemen, yugoslavia, etc., but since it was "us" doing it, no sanctions were needed, and dead civilians didn't count. Syria is occupied right now by americans and you're shitting here about safety... Price Harry even went playing "war tourism" and went shooti…

I don't agree that some of your statements are facts.

However, pretty much all countries have unjust conflicts in their history, where they were on the wrong side. That doesn't mean it should continue.

I'll refrain from commenting on Syria topic - I feel it justifies better facts on the table and longer discussion than this place allows. You may think what you want.

Maybe it's time for many countries to keep to themselves - that would roughly correspond to Westfall sovereignty, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westphalian_sovereignty . Or maybe we should be of the opinion that certain things, like human rights, aren't the matter of countries, and have some ways of supporting them too.

> If we don't, we have no moral superiority to blame putin for anything while our own soldiers are occupying foreign sovereign countries this very moment.

Why?

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by mensetmanusman »

bigdict wrote: post #76
bandyaboot wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia had already been increasingly cutting gas supplies to Europe before the Nordstream pipeline was sabatoged. They weren’t just threatening.

If that's true, why blow up your own infrastructure when you can just cut the supply?

Prevents potential assassins near Putin thinking they have an easy out.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by jryle70 »

philippejara wrote: post #97
bandyaboot wrote: post #72

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Russia had zero logical reasons to blow it up. I don’t have any trouble believing that Putin’s devotion to rational decision making is less than complete at this point—particularly when it comes to doling out retribution to the west. The idea that the US would risk making itself a pariah amongst its NATO allies, particularly right now does not seem believable to me.

The US had no qualms making itself a pariah amongst its UN allies by spying on them back in 2010, germany included, when biden was still vice president no less, so I don't think that's much of an argument against them doing it. Especially when you are talking about NATO, an organization where the US power imbalance is even higher. That isn't enough to blame them for it of course, but to assume that Putin is not behav…

> Spying on them back in 2010, germany included

News for you: Everyone is spying on everyone else. Always have, always will be. Germany was also spying on the US. Spying, a.k.a having inside knowledge, is always a preference by all regimes. Whether one has the means to do it is another matter.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by jryle70 »

dangerwill wrote: post #126
0xDEF wrote: post #71

What has been happening to the Russian space agency is a travesty. From 2018 to 2022 the Director General of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, was an actual Sieg Heiling neo-Nazi. He was also a co-founder of the ultra-nationalist party Rodina that wants to ban Jewish organizations and buildings in Russia: https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/16057071016402984... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Rogozin Imagine let…

It's easy to imagine because the US did just that with NASA, except with an OG-Nazi instead of a neo-Nazi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

von Braun didn't run US space program. He was in charge of rocket development. And why mention von Braun without mentioning the similar effort by the Soviets?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by InTheArena »

bigdict wrote: post #160
InTheArena wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iraq gassed their own citizens, tried to assassinate a U.S. president, invaded their neighbors, engaged in terrorism (not Al Qaeda). At the time of the gulf war there were regularly trying to shoot down iUS and NATO aircraft in the no-fly zone designed to keep Saddam from killing the Kurds. Iraq was a horrible mistake and tragedy - but no oil was stolen, nor was territory seized. While many people died, there was nev…

Perfect symmetry: > Don’t invade other countries murder innocents, kill babies. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/where-is-ou... > Want to be trusted? Follow the treaties you signed. https://qz.com/1273510/all-the-international-agreements-the-... > Don’t want to be accused of breaking g your obligations? Read the UN charter. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War The upshot is unfortu…

Simply ignoring the points? Just as a reminder, here they are again: Iraq gassed their own citizens, tried to assassinate a U.S. president, invaded their neighbors, engaged in terrorism (not Al Qaeda). At the time of the gulf war there were regularly trying to shoot down iUS and NATO aircraft in the no-fly zone designed to keep Saddam from killing the Kurds. Iraq was a horrible mistake and tragedy - but no oil was stolen, nor was territory seized. While many people died, there was never any systematic assault on civilian populations - Iraq became a disaster because of an Iraqi civil war. It was a single country.

Russia is invading a country whose security they guaranteed. They are raping and murdering people, flattening cities and directly targeting infrastructure that is only for civilian purposes. They are attacking those who are not a threat to them, and never engaged in any of the above causes beli. They are I’m doing so to enlarge their nation and subjugate others. They are threading the same to other nations. They unleashed the largest European war since WWII.

So if you see that as symmetric, there is almost nothing we can discuss in an objective way.

As I mentioned, if you really can't tell the difference and apply objective criteria, then it's not worth continuing this discussion.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by CamperBob2 »

redeeman wrote: post #157
CamperBob2 wrote: post #115

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Once the dust settles, it will take less time to fix the pipeline than to repair Russia's international standing. That's true even if the pipeline is unsalvageable, because Russia certainly is. The sanctions aren't going away until Putin is replaced by someone sane. I don't expect that to happen anytime soon, do you?

when can we replace the regimes in the west with someone sane?

After we make up a bunch of fairy tales about Nazis and invade Canada?

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by philwelch »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #139
philwelch wrote: post #117

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If the US did blow the pipeline I would be impressed and fully supportive of the decision. I just think Biden lacks the courage to authorize such an action. It’s possible that it was done behind his back, since I very much doubt Biden himself is in control of things to any real extent.

As someone from the balkans, how about you put a uniform on and go fight a war somewhere yourself, and keep us, other people out of your warmongering. Wars are not like call of duty, or whatever your sick fantasy is.

Your complaint would be better directed at a certain V. Putin who started this war.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by rebolek »

redeeman wrote: post #156
Swenrekcah wrote: post #110

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This analysis is not complete. By the time the pipeline was bombed, it was clear that the EU wasn’t going to cave into Russian demands to stop supporting Ukraine. So the pipeline sitting there usable but with no gas flowing would both create legal problems for Russia and also be a symbol of European unity. Regarding the US being able to sell LNG, the capabilities to transport and offload it in the quantities needed d…

> By the time the pipeline was bombed, it was clear that the EU wasn’t going to cave into Russian demands to stop supporting Ukraine. it is clear that the ruling class didnt want to, but there was increasing pressure from the people of germany and also other parts of EU to approve nord stream 2. And the US simply couldnt accept that the possibility that they would cave to pressure from the people(the horror). Its pro…

This is straight up ruSSian propaganda. I'm disgusted.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

philwelch wrote: post #167
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone from the balkans, how about you put a uniform on and go fight a war somewhere yourself, and keep us, other people out of your warmongering. Wars are not like call of duty, or whatever your sick fantasy is.

Your complaint would be better directed at a certain V. Putin who started this war.

As someone from the balkans, I've had Clintons missles fly over my house to hit a country 400km away, that we were once a part of the same country.

As someone from the balkans, I've seen the waves of immigrants due to bush-obama-trump-ending_with_biden afghanistan war. Also syria and libya wars. Lets not forget iraq... twice.

Also as someone from the balkans, where you can't fart without someone mentioning war crimes, i was wondering how someone can bomb a wedding in pakistan, without being in war with pakistan, or drone-kill a political leader in iran without being in war with iran.

Also as someone from the balkans, I wonder how come that kosovo must become independent, forced by bombs, because some people there want to leave, but at the same time, republika srpska cannot become independent, even though people there want to leave too. On the other hand, just mentioning catalonia, makes EU leaders turn blind, deaf and mute.

Not to mention all the other stuff certain other american politicians did, from cuba, vietnam, korea, somalia, half of southern american countries... also the french (half of africa is trying to get them out), and other countries. Oh, and lets not forget places like yemen... or even palestine.

So what happens when a certain decides to start any of those wars? My small country of slovenia, sends soldiers to help them... afghanistan for example. No sanctions, no embargos, no sending weapons to help... send soldiers to help occupy instead. Even we're still in syria right this moment.

But yeah, let our soldiers occupy foreign countries right this moment and point a finger at putin.

Switzerland? Sure, they can point fingers (and even they are close to throwin away their neutral status). Everyone else should pack their soldiers home first and pay to rebuild those countries, before they point a finger at putin.

Re: Another Russian spacecraft at ISS has a coolant leak

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

avmich wrote: post #161
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For "the rest of the world", the "sad events" have been happening literally right now, or during the last 80 years... syria, libya, afghanistan, iraq, iraq again, yemen, yugoslavia, etc., but since it was "us" doing it, no sanctions were needed, and dead civilians didn't count. Syria is occupied right now by americans and you're shitting here about safety... Price Harry even went playing "war tourism" and went shooti…

I don't agree that some of your statements are facts. However, pretty much all countries have unjust conflicts in their history, where they were on the wrong side. That doesn't mean it should continue. I'll refrain from commenting on Syria topic - I feel it justifies better facts on the table and longer discussion than this place allows. You may think what you want. Maybe it's time for many countries to keep to thems…

> However, pretty much all countries have unjust conflicts in their history, where they were on the wrong side. That doesn't mean it should continue.

We're not talking about far away history... we're talking about our soldiers occupying foreign sovereign countries right now, today. This is not a germany WW2 situation, where they got fucked, repaid some of the damage, said that they won't repeat history and two generations went by... this is literally today. If we wanted to be better than putin, there's 1 year (minus 11 days) gone by, with us pointing a finger, while we're doing the same... 1 year (almost) that we had the time to "be better", and leave the occupied countriey... but we didn't.

> Or maybe we should be of the opinion that certain things, like human rights, aren't the matter of countries, and have some ways of supporting them too.

Lets be real... noone cares about human rights. At least not enough to start a war. Do people have a right for police not to steal their stuff? Not in america (civil asset forfeiture). The british have arrested more people for "wronghink" (on social media) than the "bad bad putin" did. Guantanamo bay is still there. And zelensky is banning political parties, tv stations and a whole church now. Noone cares about all that. This is just a nice excuse to start a war where you need one... usually in places with either natural resources or strategic location. Find someone to testify about soldiers killing babies, bam war. Need a better story for the second time? Just use weapons of mass destruction excuse.. and then a few years later a "whoopsie, we fucked up". Where are the human rights of the people prince harry killed when he went on his killing tourism?

> Why?

Because we're the same. Counting the number of wars and dead people, even worse.

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