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No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by pnt12 »

barbazoo wrote: post #360
kbelder wrote: post #326

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I'd be perfectly fine never touching a drop of alcohol again, and think this sort of dire warning is crap. It's actively harming the dissemination of good health advice.

How would you frame it differently? If even small amounts over a long period of time gives you cancer, how else to state it?

"X amount of alcohol increases odds of disease by Y%".

Without values, we can pretty much say that anything increases odds of disease: walking, driving, eating, shitting, sleeping.

And what's to gain? Hysteria because there's a million ways to die? Or increased distrust in health recommendations, as they're barely actionable?

I think the current recommendations are: do exercise, eat well and get good sleep. They should get you a good baseline. But you don't need to be a fundamentalist: you don't need to obey them 100% of the time!

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Post by P_I_Staker »

VLM wrote: post #250
P_I_Staker wrote: post #215

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Carbs are great for you if you get the right carbs.

Cite needed LOL. They're great for weight gain, which is not much of a medical necessity in the current year although there are special situations (cancer patients, etc) If you don't eat an essential nutrient (vitamins, minerals, etc) you'll eventually get sick and die. If you don't eat a very high carb diet you'll ... be healthier and have better blood test results? Nobody never died from having a single digit A1c b…

Lol, this is just basic nutrition. You should read something that's not written by the bros.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by P_I_Staker »

christophilus wrote: post #242
P_I_Staker wrote: post #207

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Should we be establishing safe amounts of cigarette smoking? Safe amounts of gasoline to drink? Alcohol users really don't like people pointing out that their habit isn't safe.

Yeah. We should. You can smoke a cigar a month and not be considered a smoker by life insurance companies. You can smoke 4 a week and not be considered a smoker by health insurance companies. I’d love to see actual stats because I really enjoy a pipe and am willing to take a slight risk for it. No level of automobile usage is safe, either, but I know the risks. My chances of dying due to driving (sober) are much high…

Any use in 30 days gets you flagged by my insurance company.

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Post by selimthegrim »

terminalcommand wrote: post #307
selimthegrim wrote: post #63

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How did we get here from a thread about alcohol prohibition? Are they an existential threat in your country?

In fact it is, Į live in Turkey. I have seen to many religious hypocrites.

Erdogan is awful but Gülen would have been orders of magnitude worse (see Erdogan’s recent remarks about religion and modernity)

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by bjourne »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #363
bjourne wrote: post #190

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Do you think researchers are idiots?

A significant proportion of them are, unless you assume that proportion is just blatantly dishonest. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

Most idiotic Hacker News take yet.

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Post by terminalcommand »

selimthegrim wrote: post #374
terminalcommand wrote: post #307

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In fact it is, Į live in Turkey. I have seen to many religious hypocrites.

Erdogan is awful but Gülen would have been orders of magnitude worse (see Erdogan’s recent remarks about religion and modernity)

Well, for example we are currently experiencing 80% p.a. inflation, because Islam forbids interest rates. Gulenists were religious extremists but they were at least somewhat educated. Erdogan and his crew are not. We are turning against science and into a medieval interpretation of Islam each day. It is very frightening.

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Post by thefz »

barbazoo wrote: post #362
thefz wrote: post #351

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> So much denialism going on here, it's like talking to my alcoholic relative. This shouldn't trigger such a strong reaction, if it does, one should look into why that is. Ever read any HN thread where the article states that to combat obesity one just have to eat less? ... yeah.

Not the same at all, I don't know what you're getting at.

Oh no, it is exactly the same. Lots of users not accepting TFA's conclusion because it makes them uncomfortable.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by friend_and_foe »

bjourne wrote: post #375
friend_and_foe wrote: post #363

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A significant proportion of them are, unless you assume that proportion is just blatantly dishonest. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

Most idiotic Hacker News take yet.

Alright well you can call me names or you can talk about it. Do you have the intelligence and understanding to have a discussion or do you just want to screech insults at people on the internet?

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by __derek__ »

rayiner wrote: post #315
__derek__ wrote: post #293

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> dependent on alcohol or drugs are six or seven times more likely NB: this does not mean actively using. Dependency creates significant stress when sober, which almost certainly amplifies violent dispositions. Hence my GP's comment.

> Dependency creates significant stress when sober, which almost certainly amplifies violent dispositions. How does that not support my point?

It's the opposite of what you wrote:

> That makes sense--alcohol decreases inhibition. It makes you do things that maybe you were inclined to do, but wouldn't do sober. (That is part of why people drink alcohol in the first place.)

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by tarboreus »

3D25157725 wrote: post #324
skeeter2020 wrote: post #236

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as a continued social drinker, or more general doer of anything, i've noticed that anyone who no longer does that thing is typically quite vocal and negative towards said thing. Set aside alcohol for a minute; this article is saying that because the absolute risk of an activity is not zero, the activity is inheriently unsafe. That's not true, not an appropriate strategy for decision making, and most importantly not a…

>> i've noticed that anyone who no longer does that thing is typically quite vocal and negative towards said thing. Well ya? Is that not self-evident? See, there's this thing I enjoy very much, but I was forced to stop because of evidence of the negative consequences. Now, since I am a kind person, I can share the knowledge of those negative consequences so may be you could avoid them, too. Said another way, if I wer…

Maybe you should just go back to doing it. You're not going to live forever, even if you don't have a couple beers on a Friday night.
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