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No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"because moderate drinkers tend to be very socially advantaged," Naimi says. Moderate drinkers tend to be healthier on average because they're well-educated and more affluent, not because they're drinking a bottle of wine a week on average. "[Their] alcohol consumption ends up looking good from a health perspective because they're already healthy to begin with." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/22/47…

> Moderate drinkers tend to be healthier on average because they're well-educated and more affluent, not because they're drinking a bottle of wine a week on average the point is that non-drinkers live less. Which totally contraddict the point that non drinking is good for you. a recent Lancet study confirms that at 2 standard units per day there is non-drinking equivalence for health risks 2 units per day it's about…

Both can be true at once, for exactly the reason described: the causal effect goes in the other direction.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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I fear for a world where alcohol is banned. I feel modern society is built on it. A human is the only animal that is aware they will die. Also unique to humans is that we think about what others think. This makes us very anxious. Alcohol is a known way to relax. It helps calm our minds down. No it's not good for our bodies. But it's very healthy to relax.

I fear for a world with illegal drugs. Plenty of people use stimulants and psychedelics as part of their religion, yet the courts have (IMO wrongly) allowed countless lives to be ruined because of it.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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post #6

This is not news, it has been known for some time. For anyone wanting to get an in-depth, balanced, and rigorous take on alcohol I can heartily recommend Drink? by David Nutt. Reading it has made me more mindful of when and why I choose to drink, and increasingly I find myself drinking less and less.

Was David Nutt the UK scientific advisor who came out and said weed, lsd, ecstasy are all far less harmful than tobacco and alcohol and was then publicly shamed and abused by the uk Media for daring to suggest such a thing?

Yes, he is known for this graph (The Lancet, 2010): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nutt#/media/File:HarmCau...

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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What was the first miracle performed by Jesus (as documented in the Christian bible)? Turning water into wine at the wedding in Cana (after they had run out of wine). Would Jesus have done this if alcohol consumption was against God's will? Food for thought. I'm not saying that God wants us to drink, but I think it provides some evidence that God doesn't view alcohol as inherently evil or bad (from Christian perspect…

and of course they have the sacrament of communion. does this mean they are all doomed?

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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>> To identify a “safe” level of alcohol consumption, valid scientific evidence would need to demonstrate that at and below a certain level, there is no risk of illness or injury associated with alcohol consumption.

This is ridiculous and boarders on intentionally false & misleading. We look for meaningful or demonstrated risk all the time in our assessments, not the absolute absense of it.

This is typical WHO nonsense similar to their ongoing clanging of the Covid alarm.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#219

So much denialism going on here, it's like talking to my alcoholic relative. This shouldn't trigger such a strong reaction, if it does, one should look into why that is.

being told what you should be doing by the self-righteous will tend to produce this effect

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#220
post #15

The thinking is backwards on this. They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say.

Driving isn't hazardous to your health. Crashing is. That's like saying eating is unhealthy to your health because you might choke.

I think overall it is likely slight net negative. Just from things like particulate pollution and siting not moving for a period. Also the UV light from sun possibly.

Not that there isn't acceptable tradeoffs with what is attained by driving.

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