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No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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> Alcohol ... has been classified as a Group 1 carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer decades ago – this is the highest risk group, which also includes asbestos, radiation and tobacco. But as I understand it we do have a notion of "safe" dosages of radiation. Isn't this statement then like saying "no level of exposure to radiation is safe for our health?" Maybe I'm wrong but I would think that…

On flying on a plane vs alcohol:

It is need vs want debate.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smoking is the intake of carcinogens, a direct health risk. Jumping off a building is the result of unhealthy depression, i.e. a symptomatic behavior. A vehicular accident as a driver is not a direct cause of driving any more than a pedestrian accident by a vehicle is the direct cause of walking.

You seem confident that you can categorize any activity. what about: strolling along a pathway, hiking in the footlhills, scrambling a mountain, ice climbing, base jumping? At what level the rock climbing rating system do we inflect from indirect to direct risk?

Assuming arguendo that you're not talking about repetitive stress injuries to the body or brain from overdoing physical or stressful activity, and just the acute harm from accidents, they're pretty much the same as driving. The correlation to accidents does not mean the activity is dangerous: it's the accident that's dangerous.

I object to the conflation of quantitative risk of experiencing an incidental event with the qualitative risk posed by a voluntary event.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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“Alcohol blocks REM sleep, and as a result, says University of California, Berkeley, professor Matthew Walker[1], drinking can make you forget new information.”

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Walker_(scientist)

source: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/12/even-smal...

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Why is alcohol only dangerous in alcoholic beverages? Fruit juice (they real stuff) also contains small amounts of alcohol, for example.

That is an excellent question, perhaps the benefits of those fruit juices outweigh the small amounts of harm a small amount of alcohol may create. If was to get my random opinion without expertise, I would guess that sugar is the dominating factor as to whether fruit juice is healthy combined with your typical non-juice sugar consumption or not; given you are not deficient in some key nutrient. But to clarify, I was…

Sorry, yes, this was meant to address your quote - should have made that clear.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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We've been drinking fermented drinks for millenia and yet here we are: 8 billion strong. Shut up WHO ;)

Actually, only some populations developed the gene mutation to increase the alcohol people can tolerate, but I can't find the number now. Try navigating from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_tolerance to see if you are more lucky.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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What if you drive a Tesla?

Teslas still have a crash risk, emit noise and dust locally and emissions remotely.

Tire particulate is a particularly nasty form of pollution that most are unaware of. EVs aren't particularly better at reducing tread wear (some say it's a bit higher due to instant-torque at 0 RPM).

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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The thinking is backwards on this. They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say.

They don't give a safe number of cigarettes, do they? There probably is a number that's minimally harmful, that lowers with age. Alcohol has numerically similar numbers of cancer cases, and cancer is just one aspect. Now it is less, and we can argue about how widespread the use is ect. However, it cases 1/3 of the cases, heart disease, mental health problems. Are you a drinker? Especially since quitting, I've noticed…

I drink maybe 4 drinks total a month. I get where you're going with that though. There is actually data out there on smoking, and having a cigar once in a while isn't really more unsafe than sitting by the camp fire. Your body also recovers itself in most regards rather quickly after chronic smoking (months). I'm not a smoker, and it's better not to smoke because it's super addictive, but having a smoke is like having a drink, not unsafe per say. I'm more worried about sugar than alcohol.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Maybe read the well documented history of self-righteous teetotalers? It's not too hard to understand what the goal of this type of rhetoric is.

I'm genuinely curious - do you have some good references of this history I could read?

Here’s a publicly available overview of the temperance movement and just how insane it was: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK216414/

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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post #224

> Alcohol ... has been classified as a Group 1 carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer decades ago – this is the highest risk group, which also includes asbestos, radiation and tobacco. But as I understand it we do have a notion of "safe" dosages of radiation. Isn't this statement then like saying "no level of exposure to radiation is safe for our health?" Maybe I'm wrong but I would think that…

The linear no threshold model of harm for radiation is debated but is the foundation of all nuclear protection policies. To policy, zero radiation is considered best and all increments above that, regardless of size or relative comparison to natural background radiation are bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_no-threshold_model It's extremely hard to scientifically back this or challenge it due to the noise. So…

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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David Spiegelhalter of BUGS fame: "So a total of 50,000 bottles of gin among these 1,600 people is associated with one extra health problem. Which still indicates a very low level of harm in drinkers drinking just more than the UK guidelines." https://medium.com/wintoncentre/the-risks-of-alcohol-again-2... The WHO is fear mongering. Maybe it is good health politics, people are scared of alcohol and people will have a…

The way these risks are reported often makes this mistake. A statistically significant difference is reported as a "significant" difference, which means something different to lay people.

For example, if a change in diet increases the chances of getting a specific cancer from 1 in 1000 to 1.5 in 1000, that very well may be statistically significant. But, your odds of not getting that cancer go from 99.9% to 99.85%, which most people would not consider to be a meaningful difference.

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