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No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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> However, latest available data indicate that half of all alcohol-attributable cancers in the WHO European Region are caused by “light” and “moderate” alcohol consumption – less than 1.5 litres of wine or less than 3.5 litres of beer or less than 450 millilitres of spirits per week Half a litre of beer a day is considered "light"?

That’s basically 1 pint a day, or 16 oz as the ceiling for “light”. That seems reasonable? Not the amount necessarily just the classification.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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post #15

The thinking is backwards on this. They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say.

Driving isn't hazardous to your health. Crashing is. That's like saying eating is unhealthy to your health because you might choke.

Driving is hazardous to other people's health in the form of crashes AND pollution in the form of noise, dust, and exhaust.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#53

Cool, maybe it'll help debunking those "small amounts of alcohol are healthly (from body standpoint)"

no need to debunk the truth. It's like drugs. Take too many pills, you die. Take them when you need them and their benefit will surpass the risks. Alcohol works the same way. We know for a fact that moderate drinkers live longer than non-drinkers and heavy drinkers. We still don't know why. edit: most people don't want to hear the truth. Moderate drinker live longer than non-drinkers. It's a well known fact For examp…

"because moderate drinkers tend to be very socially advantaged," Naimi says. Moderate drinkers tend to be healthier on average because they're well-educated and more affluent, not because they're drinking a bottle of wine a week on average. "[Their] alcohol consumption ends up looking good from a health perspective because they're already healthy to begin with."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/22/4714163...

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally I know a lot of really old people who still drink. Maybe I'd know more if they didn't drink. I know one guy who is ~90, survived cancer 3 times and attributes his survival to daily doses of Japanese Shochu. You might be able to argue that alcohol was the cause of the cancer but I guess we'll never know. Disclaimer: Currently not drinking even a drop. Edit: Maybe I'd know more if they didn't drink. ...is a…

This comment adds nothing to the discussion.

Neither does yours, neither does mine.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#55
post #21

> However, latest available data indicate that half of all alcohol-attributable cancers in the WHO European Region are caused by “light” and “moderate” alcohol consumption – less than 1.5 litres of wine or less than 3.5 litres of beer or less than 450 millilitres of spirits per week Half a litre of beer a day is considered "light"?

Beer in the EU is often ~4% alcohol. Half a liter is barely more than a can of Coors light in terms of alcohol volume.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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post #13
post #3

There's also a limit between a healthy lifestyle and enjoyment of life, beyond which towards "maximum health" you'll either go to an early grave because of how bland your life is, or live a joyless life avoiding things you'd enjoy. In any case, those kind of "research" is for modern americans (and people taking their cues from anglosaxon culture) , who are already conditioned in such hysteria - which is funny in the…

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Everybody needs things to have an enjoyable life. Alcohol can be one of those things. It can also destroy your life, of course. As can too much sugar, too much sun exposure, etc etc

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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I despise the WHO generally but this article is solid. There is too much confusion about alcohol in the medical industry. If you ask European doctors having a glass or two of wine "extends health". If you research typical government guidelines, they say a drink or two a day isn't bad or may even say it's "healthy" [1] The facts are facts. Alcohol is a poison that wrecks havoc on your mind and body. If having one drin…

The dose makes the poison - Paracelsus

> “We cannot talk about a so-called safe level of alcohol use. It doesn’t matter how much you drink – the risk to the drinker’s health starts from the first drop of any alcoholic beverage. The only thing that we can say for sure is that the more you drink, the more harmful it is – or, in other words, the less you drink, the safer it is,” explains Dr Carina Ferreira-Borges, acting Unit Lead for Noncommunicable Disease Management and Regional Advisor for Alcohol and Illicit Drugs in the WHO Regional Office for Europe.

I think that it is explicitly pushing back on that very concept.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#59

To say this is true for every human being is an assault on the field of genetics. There are several voltage gated ion channels that are inhibited by ethanol. So ethanol can clearly be seen as a medicine in those with genetic changes in these genes that cause channel channelopathies. And anecdotally, my grandfather drank a lot. Not an alcoholic, but he was no teetotaler, and I would often see him sneaking shots of vod…

Your grandfather was an alcoholic who lived to age 99

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally I know a lot of really old people who still drink. Maybe I'd know more if they didn't drink. I know one guy who is ~90, survived cancer 3 times and attributes his survival to daily doses of Japanese Shochu. You might be able to argue that alcohol was the cause of the cancer but I guess we'll never know. Disclaimer: Currently not drinking even a drop. Edit: Maybe I'd know more if they didn't drink. ...is a…

This comment adds nothing to the discussion.

Nothing matters we will all die eventually.
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