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No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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I fear for a world where alcohol is banned. I feel modern society is built on it.

A human is the only animal that is aware they will die. Also unique to humans is that we think about what others think. This makes us very anxious.

Alcohol is a known way to relax. It helps calm our minds down. No it's not good for our bodies. But it's very healthy to relax.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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I despise the WHO generally but this article is solid. There is too much confusion about alcohol in the medical industry. If you ask European doctors having a glass or two of wine "extends health". If you research typical government guidelines, they say a drink or two a day isn't bad or may even say it's "healthy" [1] The facts are facts. Alcohol is a poison that wrecks havoc on your mind and body. If having one drin…

I think the challenge is really that even spices like pepper cause inflammation. You can always find a downside to anything you ingest. I think you’re correct, the best approach is to explain “safe limits”. Personally, I think it’s fine if people smoke, drink, etc until their heart is content. That said; it’s also why I’m opposed to socialized medicine. Almost everyone I know on social medicine didn’t take care of th…

I had to google the meaning of "socialized medicine" (no I don't live in the US). My first thought was that maybe it meant "getting better thanks to emotional support from other people", but Wikipedia had this to say about "socialized medicine":

>> More recently, American conservative critics of health care reform have attempted to broaden the term by applying it to any publicly funded system.

Fascinating how different political groups literally do not speak the same language. I now assume you mean that all people should pay 100 % for their own health care needs since people only have themselves to blame if they need health care?

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#195
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The thinking is backwards on this. They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say.

They don't give a safe number of cigarettes, do they? There probably is a number that's minimally harmful, that lowers with age.

Alcohol has numerically similar numbers of cancer cases, and cancer is just one aspect. Now it is less, and we can argue about how widespread the use is ect. However, it cases 1/3 of the cases, heart disease, mental health problems.

Are you a drinker? Especially since quitting, I've noticed a lot of drinkers get incredibly defensive against something that seems very rational and well supported by evidence.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s basically 1 pint a day, or 16 oz as the ceiling for “light”. That seems reasonable? Not the amount necessarily just the classification.

If you drink the average every day, you will spend a large part of your days inebriated. And if you don't drink the average every day, you will be deeply drunk every few days. It's completely unreasonable to call that level of consumption "light".

Two pints doesn't even put you over the drink driving limit in the UK.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/how-long-should-...

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#198

So much denialism going on here, it's like talking to my alcoholic relative. This shouldn't trigger such a strong reaction, if it does, one should look into why that is.

I scrolled almost through the entire conversation. This is the first sane comment. Thank you.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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post #92
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beer in the EU is often ~4% alcohol. Half a liter is barely more than a can of Coors light in terms of alcohol volume.

>Beer in the EU is often ~4% alcohol. Where would that be? German beer is usually 5-5.5%, same for Austria. In Norway it's 4.5-4.7%

Fair enough, ~5% would be more accurate I guess. 16 oz at 5% is still a relatively small amount of alcohol in most cultures that historically consume it.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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post #15

The thinking is backwards on this. They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say.

I do not agree with your analogy or theirs. First most people have to drive at some point in their lives. Driving is not a choice we get to make so the associated risks are not something we can deal with. While it is debatable if you can avoid drinking socially many people do for a variety of reasons. The article is fairly clear. Drinking alcohol will increase cancer risks. And like someone eloquently said above you…

You have to avoid way more than just alcoholic beverages etc. to avoid alcohol completely. Definitely fruits and fruit juice will be problematic.
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