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No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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rco8786 wrote: post #39
bamboozled wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally I know a lot of really old people who still drink. Maybe I'd know more if they didn't drink. I know one guy who is ~90, survived cancer 3 times and attributes his survival to daily doses of Japanese Shochu. You might be able to argue that alcohol was the cause of the cancer but I guess we'll never know. Disclaimer: Currently not drinking even a drop. Edit: Maybe I'd know more if they didn't drink. ...is a…

For every of those is several people who died at 60 from liver disease

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Post by misiti3780 »

6d6b73 wrote: post #13
coldtea wrote: post #3

There's also a limit between a healthy lifestyle and enjoyment of life, beyond which towards "maximum health" you'll either go to an early grave because of how bland your life is, or live a joyless life avoiding things you'd enjoy. In any case, those kind of "research" is for modern americans (and people taking their cues from anglosaxon culture) , who are already conditioned in such hysteria - which is funny in the…

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I bet you're a fun person to hang out with!

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by merb »

joemazerino wrote: post #11

I despise the WHO generally but this article is solid. There is too much confusion about alcohol in the medical industry. If you ask European doctors having a glass or two of wine "extends health". If you research typical government guidelines, they say a drink or two a day isn't bad or may even say it's "healthy" [1] The facts are facts. Alcohol is a poison that wrecks havoc on your mind and body. If having one drin…

> If you ask European doctors having a glass or two of wine "extends health".

but it's not because of the alcohol, why wine is "good", it because we mostly relax with it, which reduces stress levels. everything else is bad, at least that it the perception of the last 2-4 years in germany.

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Post by kenjackson »

giantg2 wrote: post #129
roenxi wrote: post #95

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I dunno, is it a solid article? They say "Risks start from the first drop" and I am having a a hard time imagining how they could prove that, regardless of how likely it is. Looks like fearmongering. I'm sympathetic to the idea that everyone should stop drinking. I'm not a fan of mind-altering drugs and it makes for boring conversation. But we need to get used to the idea that literally nothing is safe. Living kills…

"Risks start from the first drop" If this is true, the medical community is actively causing harm. Many compounded or suspended children's medicines contain alcohol. Many do not have alcohol free alternatives.

Even if there are risks you have to compare the risks. Would I have a child drink a small amount of alcohol for some life saving drug? Just like how you drive to work despite there being a risk in driving.

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Post by neverartful »

What was the first miracle performed by Jesus (as documented in the Christian bible)? Turning water into wine at the wedding in Cana (after they had run out of wine). Would Jesus have done this if alcohol consumption was against God's will? Food for thought. I'm not saying that God wants us to drink, but I think it provides some evidence that God doesn't view alcohol as inherently evil or bad (from Christian perspective). Abuse of alcohol is a different thing.

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Post by auveair »

rayiner wrote: post #19

And that doesn't include the externalized costs, such as increased domestic violence: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50887893 , impacts on children: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/even-moderat... , etc. Now that Americans are more docile it might be a good time to take another shot at alcohol prohibition: https://time.com/5501680/prohibition-history-feminism-suffra... .

> And that doesn't include the externalized costs, such as increased domestic violence, impacts on children

I have never seen someone who did those things drunk who didn't also do those things sober.

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Post by HEmanZ »

bradleyjg wrote: post #12

The generational zeitgeist is ostentatious abnegation. This fits.

I don’t think you’re right, every generation since modernity seems equal in this regard, the latest generations don’t seem special.

But, I like this phrase “the generational zeitgeist is ostentatious abnegation”, so much that I’m going to use it in the future and pretend I do believe it. Thank you

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