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Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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Post by not2b »

jsnell wrote: post #57

> Now, is it really because we compete with Github? Honestly, probably not, but controversy drums up interest and we need interest so that someone out there on the Internet can tell us what we're doing wrong. It's pretty slimy to imply in the clickbait title that you're being blocked due to competing with MS, when you know well that it's not the reason. Admitting it's clickbait in the last paragraph doesn't make it a…

How does he know well that this is not the reason? No explanation has been given for Bing's very different treatment of the site than Google's. He says "probably not" because he isn't assuming guilt, but it may well be relevant.

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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Post by imbugene »

It also doesn't show google scholar and twitter for me when I recently switched to try out bing instead of google. With google the scholar and twitter results were in top 3 but couldn't find them with bing, even 4 or 5 pages down the line, while github and pytorch forum posts were available on the first page itself.

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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Post by misterbwong »

This is pure clickbait and really doesn't leave a good impression of this team. Writing a whole article implying they're not being indexed because they are a Github Copilot competitor when they, themselves, don't believe it is farcical.

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  We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website
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  Now, is it really because we compete with Github? Honestly, probably not, but controversy drums up interest and we need interest so that someone out there on the Internet can tell us what we're doing wrong. [...] we only care about getting as many software engineers to experience the power of generative AI for software development via our free product.

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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Post by weakfish »

not2b wrote: post #61
jsnell wrote: post #57

> Now, is it really because we compete with Github? Honestly, probably not, but controversy drums up interest and we need interest so that someone out there on the Internet can tell us what we're doing wrong. It's pretty slimy to imply in the clickbait title that you're being blocked due to competing with MS, when you know well that it's not the reason. Admitting it's clickbait in the last paragraph doesn't make it a…

How does he know well that this is not the reason? No explanation has been given for Bing's very different treatment of the site than Google's. He says "probably not" because he isn't assuming guilt, but it may well be relevant.

Using the razor, the most likely explanation is incompetence. Bing has always sucked in general.

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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Post by metalliqaz »

linhns wrote: post #56
jeroenhd wrote: post #45

Your website isn't quick to find by Duckduckgo or Qwant either. Yahoo doesn't seem to show much either. Startpage.com does find it, though. I do consistently get your VS Code addon in the first page of search results, though. When I open up your website I don't really see much. A brand name and some download links are all I can find. I'm not sure if there's much for search engines to find, really. Your homepage also…

DDG is not much different from Bing nowadays.

just with more search terms censored, apparently

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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Post by jonas21 »

rjbwork wrote: post #48
jeroenhd wrote: post #45

Your website isn't quick to find by Duckduckgo or Qwant either. Yahoo doesn't seem to show much either. Startpage.com does find it, though. I do consistently get your VS Code addon in the first page of search results, though. When I open up your website I don't really see much. A brand name and some download links are all I can find. I'm not sure if there's much for search engines to find, really. Your homepage also…

DDG is powered by Bing, FWIW.

Qwant and Yahoo are powered by Bing as well.

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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Post by metalliqaz »

jeroenhd wrote: post #45

Your website isn't quick to find by Duckduckgo or Qwant either. Yahoo doesn't seem to show much either. Startpage.com does find it, though. I do consistently get your VS Code addon in the first page of search results, though. When I open up your website I don't really see much. A brand name and some download links are all I can find. I'm not sure if there's much for search engines to find, really. Your homepage also…

Opening that website caused my CPU fan to spin up

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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Post by enumjorge »

jeroenhd wrote: post #45

Your website isn't quick to find by Duckduckgo or Qwant either. Yahoo doesn't seem to show much either. Startpage.com does find it, though. I do consistently get your VS Code addon in the first page of search results, though. When I open up your website I don't really see much. A brand name and some download links are all I can find. I'm not sure if there's much for search engines to find, really. Your homepage also…

> Mission succeeded, I suppose.

Looks like it did although I really wish we didn't reward these type of brazen stunts to get attention. Outrage-baiting is still very effective I guess.

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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Post by rany_ »

cush wrote: post #35

The funny thing is, if you search "copilot" on Bing, on the right you'll see "A second pilot of an aircraft". Google returns Github Copilot

Yep, the reality is that Bing simply delivers an inferior product. I don't think they are actually trying to be malicious in this case. There is a reason Microsoft bribes you with gift cards to use their product ;)

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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Post by encoderer »

lelandfe wrote: post #47
arp242 wrote: post #28

There's loads of stuff that Bing doesn't index very well. If you turn of JS there's almost no actual text on the site; only the FAQ has any serious amount of text. This probably doesn't help. Having the page open also really slows down my laptop and constantly uses ~50%-75% CPU and ~130M memory. No idea if that's a factor, but it takes quite a lot of computing resources to actually make the homepage render any text a…

JS-dependent sites are crawlable by bingbot, and Googlebot, and have been for years now. Otherwise, much of the modern web would be absent from search. Things can still happen, but it doesn't look like OP is doing anything unusual with rendering. If Google can crawl, I'd be surprised if Bing was entirely stumped (plus: meta descriptions). > Having the page open also really slows down my laptop and constantly uses ~50…

at a previous company (2019-20) we did some tests on this.

The main problem with relying on js rendering is that it happened much much later than the crawl. Days at least and sometimes weeks. For us, fresh content was key, so js rendering was not possible.

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