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Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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> Instead, Codium, an algae genus, gets the sidebar slot while Codiaeum Variegatum, an (admittedly pretty) houseplant takes the fourth spot. That makes sense. I never heard of "Codeium" before. Perhaps "Codeium programing" can give a better result for a programing tool. https://www.bing.com/search?q=Codeium+programing [Edit: fixed name and bing link]

It gives results about VSCodium which ironically a community fork of VSCode (without MS telemetry)

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solid comparison and interesting read for sure. What exactly is the business model though? It's always a red flag when "privacy respecting" and "free" are bundled together. I definitely _want_ to pay something for that type of service.

We answer this partially in the "How do you plan to make money?" question in our FAQ: https://www.codeium.com/faq tl;dr potential pro plan for additional features (keep autocomplete free) and enterprise offering

Nice! I see it listed in the FAQ and that makes more sense.

I'll sign up and take it for a spin.

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the blog post where we made the comparison: https://www.codeium.com/blog/code-assistant-comparison-copil... As a tl;dr there is very little reason to pay for Tabnine. Copilot is far superior in the realm of paid products, and Codeium is comparable to Copilot.

What are the plans for Codeium to be sustainable? I don't think how it will be free forever if it really competes with Copilot.

We actually worked out the math - we don't use any external APIs like OpenAI (use our own models) so those costs aren't prohibitive, and we have a bunch of experience as a team building scalable ML systems, so we have driven down the serving costs by a lot.

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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> Instead, Codium, an algae genus, gets the sidebar slot while Codiaeum Variegatum, an (admittedly pretty) houseplant takes the fourth spot. That makes sense. I never heard of "Codeium" before. Perhaps "Codeium programing" can give a better result for a programing tool. https://www.bing.com/search?q=Codeium+programing [Edit: fixed name and bing link]

Please note that the OP was codeium (with an E). There website is codeium.com and is not indexed by bing (and is therefore not in your results either). It isn't even shown when you search for 'codeium.com': https://www.bing.com/search?q=codeium.com

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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> Now, is it really because we compete with Github? Honestly, probably not

There's no way of really knowing. Bing is a black box with no transparency, like most search engines.

One thing though: `Codeium` seems like a generic and vague word. Also I won't remember how to spell it because of the weird `e` before the `i`. I can see why Bing has trouble even recognizing the word. It's optimizing for the correct spelling. Try a rebrand, something catchy, and not something that has a hundred other words that sound like it.

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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Start with a robots.txt? https://www.codeium.com/robots.txt Update: I also see that you serve your site off GitHub... so that might be part of it as well? Bing might not index those sites?

No robots.txt is basically the same as the default contents of a robots.txt saying "All bots welcome"

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

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There's loads of stuff that Bing doesn't index very well.

If you turn of JS there's almost no actual text on the site; only the FAQ has any serious amount of text. This probably doesn't help. Having the page open also really slows down my laptop and constantly uses ~50%-75% CPU and ~130M memory. No idea if that's a factor, but it takes quite a lot of computing resources to actually make the homepage render any text and perhaps Bing doesn't deal well with that (and even then, it's not all that much text).

Admittedly I have a somewhat slow laptop, but I can't recall the last time merely opening a webpage slowed down my machine this much, and this includes webapps, so it's really an outlier.

Either way, Microsoft specifically blocking it is the least likely explanation by far.

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

#29
honestly if you look at the incident history for github, coupled with the ham-fisted tantrum Bing throws if you ask for Chrome ("There's no need to download a new web browser.") , it feels pretty on-point to say Redmond is throwing knuckle sandwiches to stay in the running for any relevance on the internet these days

https://www.githubstatus.com/history

Re: We compete with GitHub. Bing does not show our website

#30
Bing does censor things Microsoft doesn't like, even if they are legal, aren't explicit, or the like.

Another example I recently ran into: Windows Ameliorated (a set of scripts for heavily trimming Windows 10), famously featured on Linus Tech Tips. Search Google for it, you get the website link as first result. Search Bing... you'll never find the website for it. You will find the archive.org ISO Download link, but https://ameliorated.info will never be returned.

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