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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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huddle as a lot of limitations. it's good for random adhoc chats but not good for more formal scheduled meeting. for larger companies, using something zoom-like and huddle makes sense.

My company does not have many formal scheduled meetings. Mostly doing huddle to adhoc chat, discuss problems, screen share and pair program. It works well

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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Will go back to hiring in a year or so, it's a cycle

most of them haven't even stopped hiring. pay close attention to the layoff announcements to see which ones also announce a hiring freeze - most of them haven't. and i've heard of a few people getting offers from companies that have done mass layoffs in recent months.

I wouldn't be surprised if they layed off "bottom 10%" in hopes of replacing them with better when the market for IT workforce is cheaper..

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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365? Also can’t tell if you’re serious or joking.

The joke is that MS brands its online services as "365", but they have enough outages for people to say things along the lines of "more like Microsoft 360, amiright?"

We use this joke at work all the time, any time a Microsoft service is down we call it “Microsoft 359”. It’s the work equivalent of a dad joke.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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I really liked Shopify's remote model of not closing offices, but turning them into "ports" for teams in major cities to get together throughout the year for planning, team building, and retreats. You had an official place to get together, enjoy the perks of tech company offices, but with the intention of deep short bursts of interaction rather than focused work.

We have done the same at Zendesk. We've reduced our office footprint but have kept our hubs open with large enough offices open for the occasional large on-site and for easier team collaborations, as well as space for anyone that prefers to work in an office environment. I like the model, but I question long term economic viability of owning that much office space with mostly low utilization and only occasional spike…

> I like the model, but I question long term economic viability of owning that much office space with mostly low utilization and only occasional spikes.

Oh for sure it doesn't make any sense, and is driven solely by the inertia of already having the office space. You'd let it go over time as leases lapse until you're down to just a tiny amount that's facing high utilization.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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I really liked Shopify's remote model of not closing offices, but turning them into "ports" for teams in major cities to get together throughout the year for planning, team building, and retreats. You had an official place to get together, enjoy the perks of tech company offices, but with the intention of deep short bursts of interaction rather than focused work.

Officies, especially the great ones (as in also very expensive) create an irrational emotional attachment and are very hard to downsize on them without impacting morale.

It’s disturbing to think that people think human connection is irrational. I guess y’all forgot that that was how labor unions were formed.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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We just had a Support Ticket with them that took them over a month just to respond to, claiming they had too much volume! Surely, they're not 'overstaffed'

You can have understaffed support dept while having overstaffed other dept. Why someone even needs to explain that to you ?

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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wild how so many companies are laying off 7-15% of their workforce in such quick succession

It doesn't appear that any of the big ones are completely reversing their hiring sprees from the past 3 years; rather they are re-adjusting in realizing that can't hit their profit targets at this rate, and that many of their ambitious projects aren't panning out. Many of these companies ballooned their hiring during covid, increasing at 20%-40% a year (or more!)

> Many of these companies ballooned their hiring during covid, increasing at 20%-40% a year (or more!)

Many of these companies grew their hiring at that same rate before Covid too. Only a few (zoom, peloton, etc) really changed behavior due to Covid, and for them it makes more sense.

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vscode would be dropped like a stone

Not until there is a viable alternative. But with the integration of Github Co-Pilot, they can now make subscription fees from all of those users of VSCode.

I've never used VsCode, so I'm pretty sure viable alternatives are around

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Call me when Slack allows collaborative editing of powerpoint presentations and excel spreadsheets. I think there is little overlap between the part of the companies which benefit from Teams and the part that wants to use Slack.

Gsuite has the best collaborative editing.

What you don't like collaborating in the excel web app and wiping your coworker's active cell edit from existence by inserting a row somewhere above it? Next you're going to tell me you don't enjoy powerpoint web app randomly changing formatting in bulleted lists when you do something as complex as hitting enter to add a new line.

You can tell where Microsoft spent their energies (outlook, teams, maybe onenote?) and which web app products feel just about the same as they did when they were sharepoint web apps.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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This really is the techpocalypse, huh? I’m young (35) but I’ve never seen layoffs so continuous. I wonder how far into the year this will go and if we’ll ever come back. Maybe companies truly will start offshoring.

You missed them by that (tiny-fingers-gap) much. I'm just old enough to have witnessed the dot-com crash a few years before I went into industry; this feels very similar. In fact, it feels a little less intense; the dot-com crash was about an entire business model consolidating under an absolute handful of winners (example: most independent online stores went "We can't compete with Amazon" and bankrupted, laying off…

One notable contrast I see is that many of the dotcoms which failed had been predicted years in advance based on poor business models where they had no plausible way to make a profit. There are some companies like Uber which are struggling with that but most of these are profitable & won’t be leaving room for newcomers.

Related to that last thought, a lot of people bailed out into Boeing corporate jobs. They didn’t have Aeron chairs but they needed a lot of IT workers as they moved more online. I’m curious how that’ll go now where that process is much further along and things like cloud services have been soaking up geeneric demand.

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