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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams.

Teams is the result of Microsoft taking a look at Slack and saying, how can we make this feel more like Excel?

I don't see where is that a problem? People who will be using Teams are people using Office 365 daily. Having a cohesive ecosystem makes complete sense. From a UX too.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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>i) Effective immediately, we will be moving laptop refreshes from three years to four years. ii) We will be moving to Microsoft Teams for the sole purpose of video conferencing, saving significant cost and simplifying cross-company and customer conversations Layoffs and having to use teams? Talk about a morale hit

I'm not kidding, one of the reasons I left my last job was when our parent company forced Outlook, Sharepoint, and Teams on us (vs. Google mail, Google Drive, and Slack). That change on its own isn't the worst thing of course, there were other reasons why I was considering leaving, but it was definitely one of the last straws. Those MS solutions are just worse than the competition, and getting frustrated at your bugg…

I'm curious whether this approach to career/job selection is sustainable in a downturn. You can do this kind of "I quit because..." thing if you have many opportunities and options. But when things are tight? Good luck to you, as they say.

One aspect of where I work (large old tech company) is that we value those that can adapt. You aren't judged as much by your skill set as you are by how you use your skills or work with the skills others have. Sure, there are limits and this doesn't mean you become the metaphorical frog in the slowly heating pot of water.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Internal code name was Slack360

365? Also can’t tell if you’re serious or joking.

Lol Im meant to joke about the Microsoft product naming and got it wrong which somehow makes it more funny (read the other comments why)

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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> -Sharing a file in the chat for a meeting puts it into some incomprehensible internal sharepoint structure that is tied to that specific meeting instance and is difficult to ever find again. And prevents you reusing file names. If you uploaded "image.png" or "notes.txt" to a "Team" (room) once, it will make it awkward if someone tries to upload another file with the same name in the future.

Does it at least pick a good spot for it in Sharepoint? A bit off topic but at my last job we used the Webex - Sharepoint "integration" and it worked the same way but it would just prompt you for where to share it from in the folder structure, but from the root. Inevitably people would just create a folder and share it, but the default permissions on the folder would mean nobody had access to it but the sharer. So yo…

I think it was at least better than that. I don't remember having permission issues with uploaded files.

It's been a while, so I can't remember exactly where it put them. But the directory structure had the room name in it. As a user I didn't get a choice where they went.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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I really liked Shopify's remote model of not closing offices, but turning them into "ports" for teams in major cities to get together throughout the year for planning, team building, and retreats. You had an official place to get together, enjoy the perks of tech company offices, but with the intention of deep short bursts of interaction rather than focused work.

We have done the same at Zendesk. We've reduced our office footprint but have kept our hubs open with large enough offices open for the occasional large on-site and for easier team collaborations, as well as space for anyone that prefers to work in an office environment.

I like the model, but I question long term economic viability of owning that much office space with mostly low utilization and only occasional spikes.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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When I visited the GitHub office in SF in 2017, it was nearly empty. Given how extravagant and beautiful it is, it struck me as a colossal waste of money even then.

They even had a full-scale replica of the Oval Office there https://twitter.com/harrymccracken/status/710956599477534720...

This is the kind of needless extravagance that makes people cynical about the tech industry

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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365? Also can’t tell if you’re serious or joking.

The joke is that MS brands its online services as "365", but they have enough outages for people to say things along the lines of "more like Microsoft 360, amiright?"

This is unintentionally funny

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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I am absolutely certain this is to suppress wages and employee rights. It is a coordinated effort across the industry and should be immediately investigated.

Just look at the market since COVID. We're coming out of a bubble. When stocks go way up, companies get drunk on their newfound riches and spend excessively, just like individuals. Then times get leaner and they cut back. Only difference is that individuals aren't usually putting other people out of jobs when they do it, at least not directly.

This has happened many times before and will continue to happen cyclically as long as people are free to spend their money how they see fit. Why would this particular time be the result of some vast conspiracy?

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Nah. These are all dumb companies which people shouldn't have joined in the first place. You won't find companies like Valve doing this. Join a good company people, instead of dumb, boring ones run by another run of the mill CEO.

Can you elaborate on Valve? Why would Valve not do this? What makes it different?

Cause it is a proper company run to solve problems and not make money out of selling vaporware. It also doesn't hire in bulk and has a culture which is a step away from all this madness.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I choose Teams over Slack any day. I much prefer thread-based chat than message based chat. Teams forces people to use top message as a topic, then respond to messages under that topic. Slack message is just a message. You want to search something on Teams, you get full threads, chat is part of documentation. You want to find something on Slack, you need to click on date of the re…

I'm with you. I only hate Teams because of how resource-intensive it is. It would be my preferred experience otherwise. Microsoft is seriously investing in it, and everyone uses it.
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