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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by corobo »

Not really AI itself but I am already sick of people asking ChatGPT then posting it in the comments of HN/Reddit.

It just feels like a waste of time having read the comment. Even if the information is there I don't trust the user to be able to distinguish between true or confident false. If it's not my skillset or knowledgebase I assume it's wrong because I can't tell and can't ask followup questions.

Me using it as an assistant? Love it. Others using it as an assistant? I don't trust them to be doing it right.

In any case I want to read your opinion, copy paster, not a robot I could just ask in my own time! Just don't post if you've got no thoughts lol

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#102

Post by exegete »

thejammahimself wrote: post #91
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

> Github CoPilot? Great, now I have to perform the most mentally taxing part of developing software, namely understanding other people's code (or my own from 6 months ago...) while writing new code. I'm beyond thrilled ... I think there's an argument to be made that AI is being used here to help you tackle the more trivial tasks so you have more time to focus on the more important, and challenging tasks. Albeit I rec…

I think the parent’s comment is probably referring to the fact if you use Copilot to write code then you have to go through and try to understand what it wrote and possibly debug it. And you don’t have the opportunity to ask it why it wrote it the way it did when reviewing its code.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

Engineers are always building things that are incredible, then turning their back on it as ordinary once the problem is solved, “oh that’s so normal, it was just a little math, a little tweak, no big deal”.

AI has gone through a lot of stages of “only X can be done by a human”-> “X is done by AI” -> “oh, that’s just some engineering, that’s not really human” or “no longer in the category of mystical things we can’t explain that a human can do”.

LLM is just the latest iteration of, “wow it can do this amazing human only thing X (write a paper indistinguishable from a human)” -> “doh, it’s just some engineering (it’s just a fancy auto complete)”.

Just because AI is a bunch of linear algebra and statistics does not mean the brain isn’t doing something similar. You don’t like terminology, but how is re-enforcement “Learning”, not exactly the same as reading books to a toddler and pointing at a picture and having them repeat what it is?

Start digging into the human with the same engineering view, and suddenly it also just become a bunch of parts. Where is the human in the human once all the human parts are explained like an engineer would. What would be left? The human is computation also, unless you believe in souls or other worldly mysticism. So why not think eventually AI as computation can be equal to human.

Just because Github CoPilot can write bad code, isn't a knock on AI, it's real, a lot of humans write bad code.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by coldtea »

gitfan86 wrote: post #65

In the early 2000s people were also annoyed about all the internet hype. "DotCom this and DotCom that" and it was stupid that a company could announce they were adding a DotCom to their name and the stock would go up a bunch. So yes, it is annoying that all these crypto scammers and entrepreneurs have put a wrapper around GTP API call and hype it up. BUT the rate of change in AI is enormous and it will be a much bigg…

>In the early 2000s people were also annoyed about all the internet hype.

Well, they were right...

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by sfpotter »

blueblob wrote: post #74
sfpotter wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily true. People talk about “fake meat” all the time but it’s clear there’s no level of fraudulence implied by this usage. It’s meant in the sense of “artificial meat”. There are multiple ways the word “fake” is used, and one is as a synonym for “artificial”. However, in this case, it does seem that there is a level of fraudulence and deception. Given that “fake” often is used exactly the way you say, may…

Have you been around people who say "fake meat?" Every time I've heard it, it was said derisively and implied fraudulent meat.

Yes. I’ve heard loads of people refer to it as fake without an implied pejorative meaning.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#107

Post by kristiandupont »

capableweb wrote: post #51
nunodonato wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can say with a certain degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily.

I've worked with teams that used Copilot. They claim it's great "Hey, now I don't have to actually spend any time writing all this boilerplate!" while for me, the person who has to review their code before releasing stuff, easier ways of writing boilerplate is not a positive, it's a negative. If writing boilerplate becomes effortless, then you'll write more of it, instead of feeling the pain of writing it and then tr…

>the increase of boilerplate have been immersive

Has it really? Or are you worried that this is something that will happen?

Of course I don't know how other people use it but I find that it's very much like having a fairly skilled pair programmer on board. I still need to do a lot of work but I get genuine help. I don't find that I personally write more boilerplate code than before, every programming principle applies as it always has.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by argiopetech »

Otek wrote: post #89
dual_dingo wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't. Now you know for a fact :) What I have seen about it ranged from things that can be nearly just as well handled by your $EDITOR's snippet functionality to things where my argument kicked in - I have to verify this generated code does what I want, ergo I have to read and understand something not written by me. Paired with the at least somewhat legally and ethical questionable source of the training data, th…

So stop evangelizing about stuff you haven’t used. Understanding code is easier than writing it from the scratch. That’s why code review doesn’t take as much time as writing code and you still need to prove your code works, even if you wrote it yourself.

I contend understanding the semantics of code is harder than writing the syntax. Reading the syntax without thinking deeply (to the level needed to write it, or deeper) seldom helps you realize unexpected corner cases. This is why stochastic testing is so valuable.

ad.: Code review takes less time than writing code for the same reason reading a book takes less time than writing one. Distillation and organization of ideas requires expertise gained through experience and long thought. Reading a book requires reading ability.

Understanding a book (and the intricacies underlying it) takes effort on the order of the original writing, but most people don't seek that level of understanding. The same is true of code.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by williamcotton »

rcme wrote: post #78
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

As much as I’m sick of AI products, I’m even more sick of the “ChatGPT is bullshit” argument.

The only problem with the “ChatGPT is bullshit” argument is that it is only half true.

ChatGPT, when provided with a synthetic prompt is reliably a synthesizer, or to use the loaded term, a bullshiter.

When provided with an analytic prompt, it is reliably a translator.

Terms, etc: https://www.williamcotton.com/articles/chatgpt-and-the-analy...

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