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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by postexitus »

nunodonato wrote: post #36
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I can say with a certain degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily.

I can say with a higher degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily for any respectably sized project.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by devnull3 »

Diggsey wrote: post #45
sfpotter wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“AI” isn’t bull shit, it’s correctly labeled. It’s intelligence which is artificial: i.e. fake, ersatz, specious, not genuine… It’s our fault for not just reading the label. (I absolutely agree with your post and your viewpoint, just to be clear!)

"Artificial" is not synonymous with "fake". "Fake" implies a level of deception.

Actually it is [1] [2]

[1] Synonyms of artificial has "faked" : https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/artificial

[2] Synonyms of fake has "artificial": https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/fake

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by Diggsey »

sfpotter wrote: post #56
Diggsey wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Artificial" is not synonymous with "fake". "Fake" implies a level of deception.

Not necessarily true. People talk about “fake meat” all the time but it’s clear there’s no level of fraudulence implied by this usage. It’s meant in the sense of “artificial meat”. There are multiple ways the word “fake” is used, and one is as a synonym for “artificial”. However, in this case, it does seem that there is a level of fraudulence and deception. Given that “fake” often is used exactly the way you say, may…

Fake meat is still a form of deception; it's something that's not meat pretending to be meat. If lab grown meat gets good enough to be indistinguishable from "real" meat, then it would no longer be fake, it would just be artificial.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by blueblob »

sfpotter wrote: post #56
Diggsey wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Artificial" is not synonymous with "fake". "Fake" implies a level of deception.

Not necessarily true. People talk about “fake meat” all the time but it’s clear there’s no level of fraudulence implied by this usage. It’s meant in the sense of “artificial meat”. There are multiple ways the word “fake” is used, and one is as a synonym for “artificial”. However, in this case, it does seem that there is a level of fraudulence and deception. Given that “fake” often is used exactly the way you say, may…

Have you been around people who say "fake meat?" Every time I've heard it, it was said derisively and implied fraudulent meat.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by EForEndeavour »

RamblingCTO wrote: post #12

I had that since I was doing my masters in data science (5 years ago?). I love the models, the statistics and just the cleverness of everything but I just can't stand the "scene" anymore and moved almost entirely away from it. It's not as exciting as it was anymore. When I started with the topic I watched a documentary with Joseph Weizenbaum ([1]) and felt weirded out that someone would step away from such an interes…

you mentioned you moved almost entirely from the AI / data science "scene." Where did you move to?

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by bsaul »

rxhernandez wrote: post #68
bsaul wrote: post #42

I think this time is the good one. ChatGPT has reached a level where we finally can think of building actually useful products on top of "AI". Note that nobody is pretending that ChatGPT is "true" intelligence (whatever that means), but i believe the excitement comes from seeing something that could have real application (and so, yes, everybody is going to pretend to have incorporated "AI" in their product for the ne…

I really don't understand how engineers are having good experiences with it; a lot of the stuff I've seen it output w.r.t. swe is only correct if you're very generous with your interpretation of it (re: dangerous if you use it as anything more than a casual glance at the tech). W.r.t. anything else it outputs, it's either so generic that I could do it better, outright wrong (e.g. cannot handle something as simple as…

The fact that i can use this tool as a source of inspiration, or a first opinion on any kind of problem on earth is totally incredible. Now whenever i'm stuck on a problem, chatgpt has become an option.

And this happens in the artistic world as well with the other branch of NN : "mood boards" can now be generated from prompts infinitely.

I don't understand how some engineers still fail to see that a threshold was passed.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by rcme »

dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

As much as I’m sick of AI products, I’m even more sick of the “ChatGPT is bullshit” argument.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by tosihakkeri »

michaeljohansen wrote: post #17

If you're tired of AI now you're gonna hate where we are going. Strap in! (…or take a good step back from the news cycle, check in once or twice a week instead of several times daily. News consumption reduction is good for mental health.)

This is something any crypto-bro would have told you in 2017.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by dual_dingo »

sfpotter wrote: post #41
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

“AI” isn’t bull shit, it’s correctly labeled. It’s intelligence which is artificial: i.e. fake, ersatz, specious, not genuine… It’s our fault for not just reading the label. (I absolutely agree with your post and your viewpoint, just to be clear!)

Artifical means "not human" in this context for me, but I understand "Intelligence" as the abiltiy to actual reason about something based on things you learned and/or experienced, and these "AI" tools don't do this at all.

But defining "intelligence" is a philosopical question that doesn't necessarily have one answer for everything and everyone.

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