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#322You know, whatever the merits (and it sounds as if there were very few) of Google's presentation (or Pinchai's recent non-statement) might be, I would have expected the commentariat here at HN to display way more skepticism about language models as a replacement for search. If there's a crowd anywhere in the world large enough to leave 200+ comments on a post like this, you'd think thatg the one at HN would understan…
For me, it's that this recently-released product is already competing (in the minds of users, which is what counts) with a decades-old mature product. In terms of accuracy, the "but sometimes it's wrong" perspective reminds me of the initial reaction among some to wikipedia. Yep, ANYONE can edit it. Yep, they could lie... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Over the next 20 years the war between Google and SEO spammers meant finding things got a bit harder. Along with that Google's proliferation of adverts on their search result pages meant it actually became harder to even find the website link I wanted in the page itself. Yes, SEO spam has largely made the search experience a lot worse and ripe for change. But ChatGPT crawls these terrible links too! Many of the lin…
I don't think spam is an unsolvable problem. I think Google didn't want to solve it. I could find whole networks of spam sites in minutes, they could too. But the web is larger than what can be fixed manually. They should make an AI bot to search through the search box and decide if the results are crap, and train it with human preferences. Or set the bot to find difficult to find answers and see how many it finds an…
To believe spam is solvable you must also believe capitalism is solvable. Spam will always be working on the next one up of the system there is too much money involved. Also by needing an always increasing amount of money to make the market happy Google will gladly become part of the problem.
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#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question In the real world we don't have any agreed upon general notion of "definitive, authoritative" sources. A certain amount of skepticism is important to avoid all sorts of abuses of authority and "appeal to authority" is a recognized logical fallacy. Be careful what you wish for. I'm pretty sure I don't want to live in a world where everyone behaves as if the res…
if chatgpt cited its sources and gave you the links, wouldnt that change things? You can always dive deeper.
That certainly would be helpful.
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#325Wow, they really are in disarray. Maybe the (ex-)Googlers in recent AI HackerNews articles are wrong in proclaiming that Google will come on top of the AI wars, due to their immense contributions to its lead-up. I look forward to see what new Bing amounts to the industry, as well as Microsoft’s partnership with OpenAI for Bing, Azure, and whatever else is planned. This is an exciting tectonic shift.
> Maybe the (ex-)Googlers in recent AI HackerNews articles are wrong in proclaiming that Google will come on top of the AI wars, due to their immense contributions to its lead-up.
This was also the sentiment in tech circles during early cloud wars. That Google, with it's supposedly superior engineering and infra, would win the cloud. That didn't happen -- Google not only did not win that but also lost it's lead on Azure and now stands at #3
And I feel the same will be true for AI wars.
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#326For all the folks saying "Google is getting disrupted", I'm glad to see what's going on but I wouldn't hold my breath. Most importantly, by all accounts Google does have better (or at least as-good-as) tech internally that can match ChatGPT. They have been slow to release because of reputational risk, and having to deal with internal (and external) pressure about amplified bias. I think the best analogy here is when…
> by all accounts Google does have better (or at least as-good-as) tech internally that can match ChatGPT ...
I keep hearing claims of better tech. What's the source/proof of that?
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#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. For 90% of my searches I don't want any search results. I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question. In the olden days of the web I had to figure out what to search to give me a website that would give me that answer as the first result, and in the mid-90s that was really hard because search was…
> I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question. If you just want an answer that sounds definitive and authoritative then these chat bots are great. If you want it to be accurate as well... that's a different story.
You can get a definitive, authoritative answer if you ask the question correctly, but years of search engines show that people are really, really, really bad at asking questions well.
If genies existed there'd be a lot of 10 inch pianists and dead people buried under piles of money.
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#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
I use ChatGPT precisely because I don't want to sift trhough search result links
My experience with chatgpt is that it is essentially a misinformation generator. It manages to bullshit with incredible confidence.
ChatGPT really missed the boat to sell crypto, could have funded itself that way.
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#329I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. I remember when the iPhone was first announced, BB scrambled to put out press releases saying they have competing products in development. 2 years later the Bold(EDIT: Storm) was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. >Used to work for BB/RIM
> 2 years later the Bold was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. You can talk all you want about the foundational models and how advanced they are, but the search product itself will require a ton of…
Lucky for Google they already are. Somewhere on reddit someone posted about bing rejecting a prompt due to ethical reasons - something about a cover letter. If a cover letter is an invalid prompt its a good as useless.
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#330Here's a mirror of the event https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npV4Kix7Td0
Original with better video quality - https://www.youtube.com/live/yLWXJ22LUEc