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Post by 121789 »

passwordoops wrote: post #6
HaZeust wrote: post #5

Wow, they really are in disarray. Maybe the (ex-)Googlers in recent AI HackerNews articles are wrong in proclaiming that Google will come on top of the AI wars, due to their immense contributions to its lead-up. I look forward to see what new Bing amounts to the industry, as well as Microsoft’s partnership with OpenAI for Bing, Azure, and whatever else is planned. This is an exciting tectonic shift.

My wife, who uses whatever default is offered unless I provide a compelling enough argument, said she'd actively switch to Bing if it incorporated ChatGPT even in its current form.

Why?

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Post by afavour »

ChatGPT as a search engine sounds amazing but also really quite problematic. It's an extension of the issue with Google's "instant answers" (or whatever they're called): right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages. When no-one clicks though any more, no-one gets paid.

I know, I know, the ad banner-funded web is a mess and I wouldn't mourn its demise either. But it worries me that it's an entirely open ended question for what actually replaces it.

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Post by shubb »

HaZeust wrote: post #8
passwordoops wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife, who uses whatever default is offered unless I provide a compelling enough argument, said she'd actively switch to Bing if it incorporated ChatGPT even in its current form.

I’m heavily considering it myself. I know folks that are so subservient to Google that, despite Google’s objective deterioration in results as of recent, believe that something not shown on Google must mean it’s no longer accessible. Millions of people believe in the Dead Internet theory because of it, when all they need to do is try a new search engine. I look forward to seeing if Bing’s ChatGPT integration will be…

Suit at work today showed us a spreadsheet of business things he'd been working on.

"See how each row has a description column so Pele who aren't familiar can understand it? I used chat gpt for those, saved me like 3 days".

As devs, communicating specific ideas tersly to computers, I feel like we can miss how much this benefits other people. This feels like an excel moment for people who need to produce copy about widely known things and aren't super sensitive to quality, even now. And yes a lot of people. From mailshots to HR.

Re: Google's live from Paris event private/deleted immediately

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Post by taubek »

Watched it. Seemed like a panic reaction to me. Like they need to get out something quickly out. Presented features look OK, but the event it self seemed like internes presenting what were they doing during the summer break. When it ended I was like "that's it?!?".

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Post by dmw_ng »

htrp wrote: post #12

Did anyone snag a copy of the event?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npV4Kix7Td0

Responses on Twitter are horrific: https://twitter.com/googleeurope/status/1623251768099409920

This is the first non-technical Google presentation I've felt compelled to archive

I think folk are unestimating the scale of the change in medium that ChatGPT represents, it's not simply a problem of popping out a compelling clone for Google, they must also preserve or replace the lost ad revenue which represents 80% of their income, otherwise things quickly start to look grim. In contrast, ads are only 36% of Microsoft's income. If it turns out that llms are only economical as a subscription offering, Microsoft are already better placed to e.g. bundle NewBing with its 365 subscriptions.

I think subscription based search might be the scariest outcome, it would be something like an iPhone moment, where the entire medium becomes stratified into commodity/ad supported/low income user vs. premium/ad free/high value users. Imagine Google's legacy as the spam riddled search engine low income folk use, filled with ads for payday loans, used car dealers and predatory personal injury lawyers

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Post by arbitrage »

afavour wrote: post #13

ChatGPT as a search engine sounds amazing but also really quite problematic. It's an extension of the issue with Google's "instant answers" (or whatever they're called): right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages. When no-one clicks though any more, no-one gets paid. I know, I know, the ad banner-funded web is a mess and I wouldn't mourn its dem…

The question for what actually replaces the WWW as we currently know it isn't really open-ended. Many of the people who post on HN and similar sites remember what the web was like before it became an ad-funded mess.

I would enthusiastically welcome a web that isn't based on firehose-advertising and outright deception/lies.

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Post by XzAeRosho »

nunodonato wrote: post #3

I was watching... meh all the time and then suddenly it goes blank and disappears. Like, wtf Google. After yesterday's Microsoft presentation, this was such an underwhelming event. And it gets real tiring on how much Google tries to create an idea on how advanced their AI is.. (and it might be) but the fact is, nobody can access it or try it. So until we actually are able to put our hands on something, I'm calling va…

I think this is the big take away from all this ChatGPT vs. Google. Non-tech people could experiment first hand how scaringly powerful a well crafted AI can be.
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