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Toxic Exposure: The True Story Behind the Monsanto Trials

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Re: Toxic Exposure: The True Story Behind the Monsanto Trials

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Post by Demonsult »

algoatecorn wrote: post #48

Sure is lovely when a bunch of non-experts decide to chime in on a nuanced subject. Imagine a bunch of plant biologists congregated on a discussion board to make sweeping claims about SaaS or whatever your area of expertise is. Hilarious. Even appealing to literature is limited by your knowledge background. Spend a few years in the field and you will realize that some studies are good and some are bad. Some indicate…

When experts do chime in, they're blasted as shills. Have fun finding someone who is truly an expert yet has no connection to the industry that uses the technology.

Re: Toxic Exposure: The True Story Behind the Monsanto Trials

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Post by lispisok »

algoatecorn wrote: post #48

Sure is lovely when a bunch of non-experts decide to chime in on a nuanced subject. Imagine a bunch of plant biologists congregated on a discussion board to make sweeping claims about SaaS or whatever your area of expertise is. Hilarious. Even appealing to literature is limited by your knowledge background. Spend a few years in the field and you will realize that some studies are good and some are bad. Some indicate…

You just described so many HN threads.

Re: Toxic Exposure: The True Story Behind the Monsanto Trials

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Post by dekhn »

dreen wrote: post #3

The damage is still being done. I am a non-producing farmer in EEU. I know for a fact many local farmers still use Roundup on crops, even though its illegal. There are no checks done when they sell the grain. All the bees in the area have already died.

All the bees? Then anything that needs to be pollinated with bees has also died. Is that the case? Answer truthfully.

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Post by jvans »

SQueeeeeL wrote: post #58
jvans wrote: post #50

This story is a broken record that just repeats over and over again in different forms and industries. It follows the general form of: 1. Develop some profitable product 2. years later people report horrible effects 3. Big co denies and stalls for years/decades 4. Hundreds of thousands /millions of people are negatively effected 5. Science eventually overwhelms any counter argument and product in taken off market 6.…

One of the fascinating aspects that allows this to continue is that legal liability for a destructive product is essentially voided when a company is sold (look at the arguments Dow chemical made in Bhopal). This has created a system where nations effectively allow corporate actors to transfer the harm they cause onto the government and also let's companies skimp on doing effective due diligence when seeking a merger…

> I hope future alien historians laugh at how wildly incompetent our governments were at dealing with corporate entities

Yup, it is astounding how much harm a handful of greedy people can do without ever being held financially or criminally accountable. As long as the harm is sufficiently spread out and stochastic they are in the clear

Re: Toxic Exposure: The True Story Behind the Monsanto Trials

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Post by scarby2 »

dylan604 wrote: post #31
moffkalast wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> authorities AND media OP mentioned being in the EEU, which would mean the media and authorities of one of the following: Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia. Yeah I doubt it'd make any difference whatsoever. Best case scenario they ignore the story and he doesn't end up falling from a third story window.

But if the news makes into other EU countries, wouldn't the EU then be able to use it's "powers" to prevent the sale of that grain into the rest of the EU?

this has nothing to do with the EU. EEU and EU are unrelated.

the EU could blacklist grain imports from the EEU.

Re: Toxic Exposure: The True Story Behind the Monsanto Trials

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Post by scarby2 »

hammock wrote: post #18
dreen wrote: post #3

The damage is still being done. I am a non-producing farmer in EEU. I know for a fact many local farmers still use Roundup on crops, even though its illegal. There are no checks done when they sell the grain. All the bees in the area have already died.

That is really sad. I go out of my way to buy grain imported from Europe on the assumption that it is glyphosate free.

The only EEU country in Europe proper is Belarus.

Re: Toxic Exposure: The True Story Behind the Monsanto Trials

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

ch4s3 wrote: post #51
hammock wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The guy, unprompted, said "you can drink a whole quart of it and it won't hurt you." If that is a gotcha, it's self-inflicted

yeah, it's totally a self own but it gets paraded around a lot like it proves something which it clearly doesn't.

It proves the guy is blatantly dishonest, no?

Re: Toxic Exposure: The True Story Behind the Monsanto Trials

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Post by dennis_jeeves1 »

jvans wrote: post #50

This story is a broken record that just repeats over and over again in different forms and industries. It follows the general form of: 1. Develop some profitable product 2. years later people report horrible effects 3. Big co denies and stalls for years/decades 4. Hundreds of thousands /millions of people are negatively effected 5. Science eventually overwhelms any counter argument and product in taken off market 6.…

Excellent summary. Like they say history repeats. And teaching history does not help.

Re: Toxic Exposure: The True Story Behind the Monsanto Trials

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Post by hcurtiss »

Retric wrote: post #52
adrr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For comparison, hot beverages(eg: Coffee), red meat and working the night shift are also probable carcinogens. Known carcinogens include alcohol, fried food, bbq/grilling.

As always it comes down to scale not labels. Glyphosate in normal use is vastly more dangerous than anything you mentioned.

That is decidedly untrue.

Re: Toxic Exposure: The True Story Behind the Monsanto Trials

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

Jolliness7501 wrote: post #32
smolder wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dear reader, you should elaborate on what you view as a firehose of bullshit.

Sure: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/glyphosate-the-new-bogeyman... https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-science-behind-the-roun...

As a counterpoint, here's a relevant part of an interview with the lawyer who won 2 billion dollars in damages from Monsanto addressing skeptics of the trial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw5H36B1tJE&t=2842s
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