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That seems like a ridiculous gotcha type exchange. I can be both true that glyphosate is safer than alternative herbicides and something you shouldn't drink.
The guy, unprompted, said "you can drink a whole quart of it and it won't hurt you." If that is a gotcha, it's self-inflicted
Expanded summary from the description: > For years, Monsanto declared that their product Roundup, the world's most widely used weed killer, was safe. But that all changed in 2015, when the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) analyzed data from scientific studies and concluded that glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, is probably carcinogenic. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) disagreed…
For comparison, hot beverages(eg: Coffee), red meat and working the night shift are also probable carcinogens. Known carcinogens include alcohol, fried food, bbq/grilling.
Glyphosate in normal use is vastly more dangerous than anything you mentioned.
Glyphosate weakens plant roots in the long term.
There is no long term farming is seasonal
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The important caveat here is in laboratory mice , which isn't to dismiss ongoing work but to temper strong claims a bit.
but enough to refute this type of claim: "... glyphosate has been considered to be generally safe to animal health .."
[1] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10803-021-05002-y
[2] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12940-018-0394-x
[3] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00139...
Glyphosate weakens plant roots in the long term.
interesting, do those treated crops get knocked over in strong winds compared to untreated crops or something like that?
I don’t know what the parent comment meant by that, but I do know the root zone is vital for plants. Plants do not directly mine minerals. Instead, they produce complex sugars which they exchange with bacteria and fungi, who in turn, trade minerals that the plant needs. Some plants with also trade nutrients with each other (usually within the same species).
It’s in this way that soil itself is alive, whereas dirt is dead. Glysophates messes with soil in such a way that farmers attempt to compensate with fertilizer as an input. It becomes a degenerate process. Our current commercial agricultural has been slowly killing our soil.
Dear HN admins, please close this firehose of bullshit. Thank you!
Dear reader, you should elaborate on what you view as a firehose of bullshit.
Though, it would be really easy to write a book citing only the evidence in support of the link. At this point I'm not sure what to believe, but I have no need for roundup so I avoid its use.
This story is a broken record that just repeats over and over again in different forms and industries. It follows the general form of: 1. Develop some profitable product 2. years later people report horrible effects 3. Big co denies and stalls for years/decades 4. Hundreds of thousands /millions of people are negatively effected 5. Science eventually overwhelms any counter argument and product in taken off market 6.…
This has created a system where nations effectively allow corporate actors to transfer the harm they cause onto the government and also let's companies skimp on doing effective due diligence when seeking a merger. It's an extremely fascinating case of regulatory capture, and I hope future alien historians laugh at how wildly incompetent our governments were at dealing with corporate entities.
Sure is lovely when a bunch of non-experts decide to chime in on a nuanced subject. Imagine a bunch of plant biologists congregated on a discussion board to make sweeping claims about SaaS or whatever your area of expertise is. Hilarious. Even appealing to literature is limited by your knowledge background. Spend a few years in the field and you will realize that some studies are good and some are bad. Some indicate…
On this topic, I highly recommend Bad Science by Ben Goldacre. It's a brilliant read.
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For comparison, hot beverages(eg: Coffee), red meat and working the night shift are also probable carcinogens. Known carcinogens include alcohol, fried food, bbq/grilling.
As always it comes down to scale not labels. Glyphosate in normal use is vastly more dangerous than anything you mentioned.