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Re: Google's live from Paris event private/deleted immediately

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Any other GCP customers feeling nervous? Is GCP stand-alone profitable now, or if Google takes an e.g. 50% hit in advertising revenue are we going to see services being killed off?

You've got it the wrong way around, no? If ads revenue takes a hit, non-ads businesses like Cloud become more important, not less.

And as a GCP customer, you might be worried that GCP prices will go up to make those all important revenue targets, or that some of the lowest engagement GCP services will be EOL'd.

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post #27

Why wouldn't Google be able to compete with their own version of ChatGPT ? I don't understand this underlying assumption behind all comments here

Having the technology or know how is still miles away from a product that is live. Google have the former, Microsoft handed over bags of cash for the latter. It's especially awkward for them because as market leader in search they can't really afford to fumble this, which anecdotally they seem to be.

Once the technology is ready and developed by others people, how much time are they really lagging behind Microsoft ? 6 months ?

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> This suggests to me that Google is finally getting disrupted and are scrambling of desperation because of the release of ChatGPT. Even if Google is not getting disrupted, this suggested that Google is finally at the stage where its culture is hindering its progress and causing subpar performance. I hope I'm wrong, though. Google is such an admirable company. Its search engine has forever changed the world. The laun…

And with all the admiration to Google, I do hope Google could fix Google Docs. I miss Quip's amazing support of embedded spreadsheets and formulas, beautiful math equations, and rich-text in comments, and ability to link to any line or any spot on a diagram.

Re: Google's live from Paris event private/deleted immediately

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> This suggests to me that Google is finally getting disrupted and are scrambling of desperation because of the release of ChatGPT. Even if Google is not getting disrupted, this suggested that Google is finally at the stage where its culture is hindering its progress and causing subpar performance. I hope I'm wrong, though. Google is such an admirable company. Its search engine has forever changed the world. The laun…

All that to create a privacy destroying, massively fraudulent ad tech moat. Yeah, admirable...

Technologically impressive is maybe a better way of putting it. I.e. a Death Star would be very technologically impressive.

Re: Google's live from Paris event private/deleted immediately

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> This suggests to me that Google is finally getting disrupted and are scrambling of desperation because of the release of ChatGPT. Even if Google is not getting disrupted, this suggested that Google is finally at the stage where its culture is hindering its progress and causing subpar performance. I hope I'm wrong, though. Google is such an admirable company. Its search engine has forever changed the world. The laun…

All that to create a privacy destroying, massively fraudulent ad tech moat. Yeah, admirable...

tell us how you __really__ feel

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#197
post #91

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npV4Kix7Td0 If this was a startup, they would be dead in the water. Nothing of substance, awful sound, 9:45 mins in they don't have a key piece of live demo equipment (the phone)/ As someone else said, it's like they asked a couple of interns to rush something out in 24 hours. No wonder the stock price is tanking. Awful display from Google.

Maybe the people who were supposed to be running the event got laid off xD

That's so not funny, it's probably true.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to work with a list of the 50 states abbreviations, full names, etc. Previously, I'd have found the data somewhere with Google et al and then manipulated it myself into the JSON I needed. But this time I asked GPT to not only source the data, but also return it structured to my liking—with revisions ("please include Guam and Puetro Rico") Lots of my searches are simply I want an answer, but often times I also w…

with revisions ("please include Guam and Puetro Rico") Your wrote "please" to ChatGPT? FWIW, Miss Manners had a column a couple of weeks ago where she stated that we should not say please or thank you to machines, including Siri and Alexa. I was surprised.

> Your wrote "please" to ChatGPT?

Yup. So when the machines take over, hopefully they'll enslave me last, or put me in a more pleasant Matrix instance compared to the average.

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. Is there some other kind of output AI search currently provides that I'm missing?

I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. For 90% of my searches I don't want any search results. I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question. In the olden days of the web I had to figure out what to search to give me a website that would give me that answer as the first result, and in the mid-90s that was really hard because search was…

> Over the next 20 years the war between Google and SEO spammers meant finding things got a bit harder. Along with that Google's proliferation of adverts on their search result pages meant it actually became harder to even find the website link I wanted in the page itself.

Yes, SEO spam has largely made the search experience a lot worse and ripe for change.

But ChatGPT crawls these terrible links too! Many of the links Google spits out are themselves summarizing information found elsewhere, like a book or academic paper.

So why would you trust GPT to provide an authoritative answer more than your own instincts? It's omniscience is a function of everything it's crawled; that doesn't mean it has any idea of how to weave them together into a coherent response.

Re: Google's live from Paris event private/deleted immediately

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For all the folks saying "Google is getting disrupted", I'm glad to see what's going on but I wouldn't hold my breath. Most importantly, by all accounts Google does have better (or at least as-good-as) tech internally that can match ChatGPT. They have been slow to release because of reputational risk, and having to deal with internal (and external) pressure about amplified bias. I think the best analogy here is when…

> if Google can get their shit together organizationally that they'll still be able to compete. This is a really big if, and I think it's what has so many calling it against Google already. Google as an organization has been dysfunctional for years, and everything we're seeing so far indicates that the organization does even worse under pressure than it does when it's coasting. I don't doubt that they have really goo…

Excellent point. Perhaps Google will have (is having?) the equivalent of the Apple-pre-Jobs-return years or the Microsoft-under-Ballmer years, where they just fumbled around for close to a decade before things were broken enough that they went into it with more of a "what do we have to lose at this point?" mentality.
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