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Post by htrp »

guardiangod wrote: post #9

I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. I remember when the iPhone was first announced, BB scrambled to put out press releases saying they have competing products in development. 2 years later the Bold(EDIT: Storm) was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. >Used to work for BB/RIM

> 2 years later the Bold was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance.

I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. You can talk all you want about the foundational models and how advanced they are, but the search product itself will require a ton of fine-tuning on real-world training data that they aren't collecting yet.

Unless Microsoft completely botches their "newBing" launch, this is probably the most potential they've had in search since MSN was launched.

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Post by afavour »

arbitrage wrote: post #18
afavour wrote: post #13

ChatGPT as a search engine sounds amazing but also really quite problematic. It's an extension of the issue with Google's "instant answers" (or whatever they're called): right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages. When no-one clicks though any more, no-one gets paid. I know, I know, the ad banner-funded web is a mess and I wouldn't mourn its dem…

The question for what actually replaces the WWW as we currently know it isn't really open-ended. Many of the people who post on HN and similar sites remember what the web was like before it became an ad-funded mess. I would enthusiastically welcome a web that isn't based on firehose-advertising and outright deception/lies.

> I would enthusiastically welcome a web that isn't based on firehose-advertising and outright deception/lies.

I would too but I don't see how it happens. The awesome web that used to be was built on the backs of unpaid volunteers. Maybe that could return but even if it did all that wonderful volunteer work would get funneled through Google or OpenAI so investors can make a fat profit from it. Feels fundamentally wrong to me.

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Post by HaZeust »

shubb wrote: post #14
HaZeust wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m heavily considering it myself. I know folks that are so subservient to Google that, despite Google’s objective deterioration in results as of recent, believe that something not shown on Google must mean it’s no longer accessible. Millions of people believe in the Dead Internet theory because of it, when all they need to do is try a new search engine. I look forward to seeing if Bing’s ChatGPT integration will be…

Suit at work today showed us a spreadsheet of business things he'd been working on. "See how each row has a description column so Pele who aren't familiar can understand it? I used chat gpt for those, saved me like 3 days". As devs, communicating specific ideas tersly to computers, I feel like we can miss how much this benefits other people. This feels like an excel moment for people who need to produce copy about wi…

No doubt! It’s how AI is marketed in all places right now, “talk and ask for things as if it’s a human”. Soon gone are the days where you have to render a raw thought into a mish-mash of Search engine-friendly keywords and synonyms in order to get the most relevant results - you can ask for things from AI as if it’s your receptionist!

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Post by blihp »

HaZeust wrote: post #5

Wow, they really are in disarray. Maybe the (ex-)Googlers in recent AI HackerNews articles are wrong in proclaiming that Google will come on top of the AI wars, due to their immense contributions to its lead-up. I look forward to see what new Bing amounts to the industry, as well as Microsoft’s partnership with OpenAI for Bing, Azure, and whatever else is planned. This is an exciting tectonic shift.

It's a similar reaction that Intel supporters had when it was clear AMD had become a credible threat. There were claims that Intel had 1-2 unreleased CPU architectures just ready to drop at a moments notice to counter anything AMD came out with... we've seen how that played out. Google has been distracted milking their cash cow, just as Intel was, while the competition caught up. The main difference is that Google doesn't seem as far gone (yet) as Intel.

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Post by xwdv »

Google is finished. The market has been ripe for disruption and it has finally come. It’s just amazing they never saw it coming. Or maybe they did and underestimated the threat. Too late now, they just fired a bunch of people and have bred a culture of laziness funded by their cash cow advertising products. They don’t know how to innovate anymore.

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Post by loudmax »

amrb wrote: post #10

Given the track record of products, could we see googles management change in the next three to six months?

Google is years overdue for a change in management. Google has been coasting on the strength of its engineering talent, but their execution on rolling out new products has been one disaster after the next. Hopefully this is a wake up call for the board of directors at Alphabet.
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