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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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ChatGPT integrations to online forums: Hold my beer.

Give it 3 days, and it will populate the myth that purple elephants are responsible for 9/11, because their pink mousy overlords demanded more moon-rock cheese with lizard-flavor.

People do a good enough job of making up their own nonsense about 9/11 being perpetrated by the usual suspects using space lasers, holograms, mininukes, etc. We don't, and shouldn't, censor any of that.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Not sure that would make a difference. Western societies have an issue with genocide, so Russia claims Ukraine was committing genocide against Russians. If Westerners didn't care about genocide, Russia would've claimed something else, Putin certainly has no issue with genocide. So if our thing du jure wasn't misinformation, I'm sure they'd just claim they're using their powers to combat hate speech or whatever else i…

You probably don't understand nuances of why Russia says what, it is not only about the western values, but just a very effective tactic in the information warfare. I know about at least three major points: * Russia always blame other party of the crimes it about to commit. It ties the enemy and allies into the "you did, no your did" kind of arguments. This also helps to push all sorts of fake narratives into the ene…

I believe the Western values are what makes it an effective tactic, and it's the same reason why they're calling the Ukrainians Nazis while simultaneously running towards fascism: if you say that X is a Nazi and is committing genocide, you'll have a visceral reaction in the West that creates sympathies/doubts of other narratives in at least part of the population (this will not work the same way/to the same degree in non-Western societies). If the West was fascist, I'm sure Russia wouldn't be talking internationally about Nazis and genocide because it wouldn't have any impact.

You're very right about the historical narrative as an internal component. Connecting current conflicts to WW2 will make people fall in line much more quickly than saying "it's about natural resources that were mistakenly buried on the wrong side of the border and also we want a land connection to Crimea". Much like Americans will always invoke freedom because it's part of their national identity and people are less likely to question why they're invading Iraq if you mention it. Russia being threatened by fascist forces in the West is a continuation of the existing historical narrative and neatly ties into it.

It's definitely a much better PR strategy than Germany had in Afghanistan during Operation Enduring Freedom where our secretary of defense prominently said that Germany's security was being defended at the hindu kush. It's makes sense in abstraction ("we need to confront those who disregard human rights even if they're 5000 km away") but it's not concrete and it didn't increase support for the war at all.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Russia has already demonstrated that McDonald's theory doesn't work.

WW1 already demonstrated that "trade keeps peace" can't be counted on, but some people never learn. The argument was made and soundly debunked many years before anybody here was even born. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Illusion

How could "trade keeps peace" prevent Russia paying Serbia to start a war to gro it's empire?

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Things might get even hairier given the elections and the popularity drop due to both politics and the earthquake. It’s possible that a state of emergency on account of the earthquake will postpone the elections.

In other countries the population will unite after natural disasters, and leadership is usually given credit for the response as long as they continue support for local response efforts set up in the immediate aftermath. Why would popularity of the leader drop so quickly due to an earthquake? It's been what 36 hours. At this point almost all committed resources will still be highly local...

In autocratic regimes, the leaders get all the cred for things going well, but they also are seen as responsible if things crumble.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Off-topic: Do most people there prefer "Türkiye" or "Turkey?"

As a Turk, I do not trust people who are using Turkiye in English. That is virtue signaling which is saying they are populist, nationalist etc. etc. I also find the change idiotic at the least though I understand why they did it.

When working with people of different nationalities and ethnicities I emphasize trying to pronounce their names correctly. Why is this different?

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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There is/was an active disinformation campaign on Twitter attempting to link the earthquake to Türkiye denying Nato expansion. The ridiculous conspiracy theory is that the US used a HAARP system to cause the earthquake in retaliation. Not saying that's the reason for the ban, but twitter is not solely a force for good here.

That's annoying. HAARP is essentially just a steerable RF beam that heats the ionosphere for RF propagation research, or can be used to bounce RF off of the moon. Neither have any effects on fault line stress or slippage that I am aware of. So herein lies the point of all this. People who know its bullshit, know its bullshit, and can tell other people (who don't know) that it is bullshit. It should not be up to any g…

A secret HAARP-like device that causes directed earthquakes was literally from the movie The Core. It use is what kicked off the plot.

Being able to say that the Earth's core stopped just like what happened in the movie makes the earthquake machine theory more plausible or something.

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Why is everyone focused on the umlaut? If you don’t have the button, use a “u” and move on.

Things like text search and exact string matching. As minor as it might sound, if 199/200 countries work in your system, capitalism dictates that below a certain business size, the logical thing is often to just ignore the one country and move on. These things have odd cascading effects.

I have good news for you - text search for non-ascii version of latin characters like ü is a long solved problem. That's because even in non-english speaking countries some people don't bother with diacritics, or they don't have a correct layout at that point, or the text is in source code and has to be ASCII, etc.

You can try that now - my browser highlights Türkiye when I search for Turkiye.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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I hope you actually went and asked everybody.

Starting with you, do you support social media censorship in the United States? And do you support social media censorship by turkey? Those are yes or no questions.

No and no.

I don't support any censorship at all for any topics even those that deeply offend me.

The only exception would be actual death threats and things that are illegal to do.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Things might get even hairier given the elections and the popularity drop due to both politics and the earthquake. It’s possible that a state of emergency on account of the earthquake will postpone the elections.

In other countries the population will unite after natural disasters, and leadership is usually given credit for the response as long as they continue support for local response efforts set up in the immediate aftermath. Why would popularity of the leader drop so quickly due to an earthquake? It's been what 36 hours. At this point almost all committed resources will still be highly local...

Potentially because they cut off social media essential to life-saving efforts, and focus on managing optics rather than providing concrete help? Just a stab in the dark, but who knows.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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This is one of many, many reasons why western countries and social media companies should not normalise censorship re-branded like "fighting disinformation".

How do you propose western countries and social media companies fight disinformation?

I propose they don't. That's not their job.

Block only speech is actually illegal by the laws of the country. It's not their job to decide what is true and false.

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