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Re: Google's live from Paris event private/deleted immediately

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Post by the_snooze »

safog wrote: post #49
afavour wrote: post #13

ChatGPT as a search engine sounds amazing but also really quite problematic. It's an extension of the issue with Google's "instant answers" (or whatever they're called): right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages. When no-one clicks though any more, no-one gets paid. I know, I know, the ad banner-funded web is a mess and I wouldn't mourn its dem…

In general, generative models are taking publicly available content from creators and are monetizing them for big tech. Same with stable diffusion, AI art. And it'll be the same with LLMs. Eventually the whole internet would be flooded with cheap AI generated content and clearly AIs need human generated content to train on so it'll be the snake eats itself.

>Eventually the whole internet would be flooded with cheap AI generated content and clearly AIs need human generated content to train on so it'll be the snake eats itself.

Geniune human-generated content will retreat to account-gated networks and private group chats where everyone knows one another. The rest of the internet will just be incestuous AI-generated chum.

In a way, it'd be an improvement. Genuine connection doesn't scale, so let's be honest about keeping it away from random parasites online.

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Post by binkHN »

safog wrote: post #49
afavour wrote: post #13

ChatGPT as a search engine sounds amazing but also really quite problematic. It's an extension of the issue with Google's "instant answers" (or whatever they're called): right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages. When no-one clicks though any more, no-one gets paid. I know, I know, the ad banner-funded web is a mess and I wouldn't mourn its dem…

In general, generative models are taking publicly available content from creators and are monetizing them for big tech. Same with stable diffusion, AI art. And it'll be the same with LLMs. Eventually the whole internet would be flooded with cheap AI generated content and clearly AIs need human generated content to train on so it'll be the snake eats itself.

> In general, generative models are taking publicly available content from creators and are monetizing them for big tech.

This is fair—also in fairness, whenever my Google speaker answers a question, it always tells me which site the answer is from.

Re: Google's live from Paris event private/deleted immediately

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Post by stuaxo »

jurmous wrote: post #4

Google felt stumbling repeating many previously announced AI features in other spaces or small improvements to distract that their version of conversational search is behind. Google did not have the source links below the Bard chatbot responses. They also did not show recent news results like Bing did yesterday. And their presenter felt stumbling at moments too and lacking confidence. And the demo phone was "stolen".…

Was incredulous the phone was stolen for a moment before remembering this is in Paris.

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Post by jpalomaki »

I think the bigger problem is how does something like ChatGPT fit into Google's business model for search.

Conversational interface and/or giving immediate answers may not be the best option in terms of ad revenue. Users re-iterating their search queries gives more opportunities to show ads. When users are scanning the page for best results, they might be more likely to click on the ads with clever wording.

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Post by unity1001 »

bushbaba wrote: post #52
xwdv wrote: post #28

Google is finished. The market has been ripe for disruption and it has finally come. It’s just amazing they never saw it coming. Or maybe they did and underestimated the threat. Too late now, they just fired a bunch of people and have bred a culture of laziness funded by their cash cow advertising products. They don’t know how to innovate anymore.

i was at google half a decade ago. Multiple SVPs expressed in private a concern of search revenue growth and search being disrupted. That was likely the reason for all the now dead products, to attempt to diversify revenue. Meanwhile the company was focusing on DEI vs skill, and thoughtfulness over delivery. They preached 10x but refused to pursue 10x ideas. They tried to create an accelerator, a120 which focused too…

> Meanwhile the company was focusing on DEI vs skill, and thoughtfulness over delivery

That has nothing to do with any of this. Google's doom was due to their total lack of empathy for their end users and customers. They launched stuff, then when those things did not immediately produce gigantic profits like the search ads, they just shut them down on the users' face. One can do it once, twice, the third time people wont even bother to use that company's products. Such is the case with Google.

https://steve-yegge.medium.com/dear-google-cloud-your-deprec...

The level of distrust in public can be gauged from how the executives of Gcloud are trying to win customer trust by giving all sort of guarantees. And yet failing to do so.

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Post by stuaxo »

neysofu wrote: post #37
logicchains wrote: post #29

Any other GCP customers feeling nervous? Is GCP stand-alone profitable now, or if Google takes an e.g. 50% hit in advertising revenue are we going to see services being killed off?

Killing GCP would be so stupendously, incredibly short-sighted. I hope there's no truth to the reports and internal leaks from 2019.

That would be on brand.

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Post by rchaud »

guardiangod wrote: post #9

I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. I remember when the iPhone was first announced, BB scrambled to put out press releases saying they have competing products in development. 2 years later the Bold(EDIT: Storm) was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. >Used to work for BB/RIM

Blackberry Storm was released in November 2008, which is a year after the iPhone, not 2 years. The first Android phone came out just a month before in October. I was in NYC for job interviews then I saw billboards for both everywhere.

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Post by brookst »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #59
guardiangod wrote: post #9

I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. I remember when the iPhone was first announced, BB scrambled to put out press releases saying they have competing products in development. 2 years later the Bold(EDIT: Storm) was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. >Used to work for BB/RIM

> I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. It would be awesome, actually. Demonopolization of search space is long due. We need some breath of fresh air there.

Google’s dominance is because of network effects; the largest search engine collects more data about what people are searching for and has the largest ad inventory, making it hard to compete with.

ChatGPT has similar network effects with feedback. If Google is displaced, it will likely be in favor of another single dominant solution, not a commoditized industry with lots of players.

It’s possible that niche domains like medical advice or creative writing assistance will spawn small, highly-optimized companies, but general purpose AI responders will probably coalesce into whatever the next Google is, if it’s not just Google.

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