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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by carlosjobim »

LarryMullins wrote: post #859
carlosjobim wrote: post #367

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Giant squid was dismissed as tall tales for hundreds of years. Would a mermaid creature be something improbable to an ancient mariner, who hadn't even heard of anything like a monkey before he saw them with his own eyes? > You would be smart to guess that there are bigger copies of nearly any remote species in the ocean. Would you then say it is probable that species of giant shark exist to this day?

When mariners tell tails of giant squid so huge they can devour ships, they are rightly dismissed as tall tales. When they tell a story about a squid that was "about as big as a person but with really long tentacles", I don't think that ever got nearly as much ridicule.

They are much larger than a man, both in size and weight. And that's using those who have been caught. They are large enough to attack whales and small ships. I think there's more mythical creatures to be found in the ocean, specifically giant sharks.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by ikrenji »

crubier wrote: post #928
ikrenji wrote: post #904

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well he literally saw the object with his own eyes. do we have a debunk for fravors mark 1 eyeball sensor?

Maybe listen to the videos? Do you think human vision is something that is absolutely 100% foolproof? Why are there thousands of known optical illusions examples? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_optical_illusions Have you heard of spatial disorientation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_disorientation Do you think the human eye stereo baseline is large enough to determine the depth of objects more than 15m…

so any reported anomaly should be discarded as an optical illusion?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

scotty79 wrote: post #944
likeabbas wrote: post #884

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You put that so wonderfully. The DoD and other scientists should absolutely stop investing things that are hovering over their naval ships and nuclear silos just because a man on hacker news would rather see other people investigating them. Your credentials having read a bit of physics are so, so helpful. Please, help the rest of the feeble planet with your intellect because you are truly the one person who knows wha…

Those 3 videos? https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/weird-news/2020/04/28/pe... Third one is a goose: https://youtu.be/mfhAC2YiYHs Super solid evidence, no doubt. Yeah, let's investigate. Tens of millions of dollars won't spend themselves. And we certainly wouldn't want to spend it on boring actual astronomy and astrophysics. Btw the other video is just of loosing tracking of a plane: https://youtu.be/3viYcYPRdu4

You are refusing to look at the counter-evidence I provide with regards to people trying to de-bunk the 3 navy videos.

GOFAST: The "goose" would need to be flying 100 knots to account for the wind speed https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1603518927891357696

GIMBAL: If the DoD would confirm the range of the object was 6-8 nautical miles (which has been confirmed by the pilots on the mission) than this object performed a "vertical u-turn" where the rotation directly correlates with the change in direction https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1620220980839993345?s=...

FLIR1: Hasn't been debunked has a plane. https://twitter.com/MvonRen/status/1599796010506924033

All of the attempts to debunk the videos require very specific assumptions that are not proven. The GIMBAL object was not 30 nautical miles away as Mick west says. The GOFAST object is going against 120 knots of wind, West is assuming there is no wind at all. The Tic-Tac is exhibiting instantaneous acceleration and no plane today can do this.

Nothing about these videos has been debunked. The DoD could put this to rest by releasing the additional sensor data, but they won't because the sensors are highly classified.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by gfodor »

scotty79 wrote: post #707
gfodor wrote: post #344

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Why do you assume the UAPs have aliens in them, and why would you anthropomorphize aliens in any case to be anything like humans? Why do you assume the origin of such objects would be detectable? You're jumping to a lot of conclusions here, when the only core question being explored is the plausibility of physical objects in Earth's atmostphere demonstrating superhuman technology not created by humans. "Extraordinary…

Why do you assume aliens are here (or their tech) ? The evidence against aliens here is just the entirety of physics and history. I consider it to be extraordinary.

I don’t assume anything (nice strawman) other than that there are coherent explanations that would explain the presence of non-human technology in our atmosphere that do not require things like FTL travel. If we are going to weigh “extraordinary” phenomena then things which would require breaking known laws of physics far outclass those which do not, and many people jump to the conclusion that for non-human tech to be here it would have to have violated known physics. (It sounds like you are in this group.)

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Post by robshrk »

jwally wrote: post #762

Maybe a dumb question: Is it more probable that the UAP are extraterrestrials OR is it more probable they are an ancient civilization with advanced technology like Atlantis or Wakanda. The latter doesn't have to find earth or violate the known laws of physics. I think its a camera flare fwiw; but as I read through the comments it was an interesting thought that occurred...

Or is it possible they are future humans. Perhaps time travel is only possible backwards with no return trip forwards.

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Post by mikrotikker »

naasking wrote: post #813
mikrotikker wrote: post #802

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But that would also infer some kind of parapsychology effects to make the pilots see things. Or maybe a better version of the Havana syndrome gun?

All of these sensor systems operate on the electromagnetic spectrum, including our eyes. A device that creates a broad spectrum EM artifact seems conceivable.

Bingo.

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Post by ShredKazoo »

LarryMullins wrote: post #858
ShredKazoo wrote: post #554

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Do active duty jet pilots report seeing mermaids, fairies, Santa Claus, or Big foot on a regular basis?

> mermaids Professional sailors do. > big foot Professional park rangers do. They're all full of shit by the way. Self-deluding or purposely tricking the public for laughs.

We've got defense bigwigs backing the jet pilots up. Are there corresponding bigwigs backing up the sailors/rangers?

Were the sailor/ranger claims treated as credible by a source at least as good as 60 Minutes?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by graderjs »

graderjs wrote: post #940
simonh wrote: post #935

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See for yourself. This is the most clear case of misidentification. All the data you need is shown in the instrument recording and he takes us through how to interpret it step by step. Of course Mick has the advantage of having plenty of time to work through exactly what all the instrument readings are telling us and perform all the trigonometry to interpret it accurately, and explain it to us step by step, while the…

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. I've heard good things and not good about this dude, but I'll go see for myself. My priors are (but not limited to): 1)"These 10n Navy folk, who do this all day, and seen this stuff over months, across FLIR, radar, visual, from multiple planes and ships, cannot be wrong, and their sensors cannot be wrong in such a consistent way as to create such an artefact, it just seems extr…

That was a good video! It sounds reasonable, haha :) The other videos...other reports...have not been analysed to insignificance, however. At the same time, it raises the question: why would the DoD permit people to get all in a huff in confusion about this, when it was just (possibly) BS? That sounds really deceptive of them. Shame! To preserve their credibility on this topic and not come across as willingly encouraging public deception (which completely belies the public statements and sentiments of various offices about this about "getting to the bottom of it" and "public transparency"), they should have been unequivocal that this was nothing. Sad that they haven't (that I've seen).

Thank you for informing me of this valuable analysis. I think any serious Navy aviator / navigator who looked at this could easily perform the same simple math. If these folk are not denouncing clearly some of these videos, or at least publicising alternate theories for those where alternate theories reasonably exist...it smells bad for the credibility of the enterprise.

Unless the analyst from that video is completely self-servingly misrepresenting what the radar metrics mean...How to corroborate their interpretation of those numbers? Important question.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by crubier »

ikrenji wrote: post #952
crubier wrote: post #928

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe listen to the videos? Do you think human vision is something that is absolutely 100% foolproof? Why are there thousands of known optical illusions examples? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_optical_illusions Have you heard of spatial disorientation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_disorientation Do you think the human eye stereo baseline is large enough to determine the depth of objects more than 15m…

so any reported anomaly should be discarded as an optical illusion?

Not any no. But the 2 cases that he is describing definitely sound like the perfect description of an optical illusion / situational awareness tunneling effect.

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Post by Shocka1 »

graderjs wrote: post #958
graderjs wrote: post #940

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Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. I've heard good things and not good about this dude, but I'll go see for myself. My priors are (but not limited to): 1)"These 10n Navy folk, who do this all day, and seen this stuff over months, across FLIR, radar, visual, from multiple planes and ships, cannot be wrong, and their sensors cannot be wrong in such a consistent way as to create such an artefact, it just seems extr…

That was a good video! It sounds reasonable, haha :) The other videos...other reports...have not been analysed to insignificance, however. At the same time, it raises the question: why would the DoD permit people to get all in a huff in confusion about this, when it was just (possibly) BS? That sounds really deceptive of them. Shame! To preserve their credibility on this topic and not come across as willingly encoura…

>why would the DoD permit people to get all in a huff in confusion about this

I think sometimes we underestimate the power of social media in today's outrage and conspiracy driven culture, which is all but impossible to contain. I've said it what seems like a thousand times now - I believe there would be much more positive than negative as a result of shutting the internet off indefinitely.

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