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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by hoseja »

ALittleLight wrote: post #655
simonh wrote: post #647

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really isn’t, it’s what’s happened. The recordings released a couple of years ago were also breathlessly reported to be classified smoking gun evidence, confirmed by analysts, that would change everything. Except when we got to actually see them, what we saw was video of pilots patently misreading the sensor data shown in the same recording, and some fuzzy lens flared blobs that could be anything.

That's exactly what's in the article. I could quote it, but I'd basically just be copying and pasting the whole thing. Every element of my previous comment is in the original article. Either the pilots, Senators, and intelligence officials are lying (or absurdly incompetent) or it is as they say.

Yes they are all incompetent. The process selects for bullshitting ability, pork-barrel manufacturing skill and charisma.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by hoseja »

dtx1 wrote: post #693
reso wrote: post #596

Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665 These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified. As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More…

I deeply hate the laziness that is behind those arguments and the people that follow. Here are some claims of something extraordinary. We have multiple High End sensors Witness this. Your Government is not even recording this data, let alone give it to you. They don't want you to investigate it, they don't want to investigate it themselves yet multiple independent people on different ships and official documentation…

Those "high end sensors" can and do fail in more ways than you can even count to.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by oneoff786 »

treis wrote: post #387
someweirdperson wrote: post #323

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The military budget of the rest of NATO combined is much smaller than that of the US. ... Why would aliens be interested?

They still build some stuff and if aliens have come all this way why not check out the whole planet?

No no. The aliens are only interested in the largest military budget obviously. Because the US can definitely stand against a FTL capable alien civ

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mikrotikker »

jononor wrote: post #887
mikrotikker wrote: post #796

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Why does it have to be off world tech? Take a smartphone back enough years and people are going to be similarly blown away. Also you act like the science and the laws are settled but we all know science doesn't work like that. New discoveries happen all the time its that for the laws of physics those changes don't happen often. What laws of physics revelations will the next Newton or Einstein offer us?

For a smartphone to be fundamentally unexplainable by relevant experts one would have to go back more than 100-200 years, I think. The first trans Atlantic radio transmission was in 1902, for example. Though I guess even the experts of the day might struggle to believe that the device is practically realizable, since it probably would defy many a conception of what is doable (if not theorically possible). There are s…

Man how awesome would a home reactor be.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by simonh »

graderjs wrote: post #910
simonh wrote: post #626

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The now debunked sensor recordings were also reported by seasoned military pilots. You can even hear them discussing their observations on some of the recordings. In one of them they are patently misreading the sensor data displayed in the video. I’m sorry, but if that doesn’t thoroughly and permanently discredit this line of reasoning, I don’t know what will.

Are they really debunked tho? Hardly. Not conclusive, unless you want it to be.

See for yourself. This is the most clear case of misidentification. All the data you need is shown in the instrument recording and he takes us through how to interpret it step by step. Of course Mick has the advantage of having plenty of time to work through exactly what all the instrument readings are telling us and perform all the trigonometry to interpret it accurately, and explain it to us step by step, while the pilots just eyeballed it and got their estimates wrong.

On the other hand the Pentagon analysts had all the time they could want to do the same analysis and still got it wrong. But you don't need to take anyone's word for it, look at the footage yourself and you can do all the calculations independently with middle school geometry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyEO0jNt6M

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by dtx1 »

hoseja wrote: post #932
dtx1 wrote: post #693

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I deeply hate the laziness that is behind those arguments and the people that follow. Here are some claims of something extraordinary. We have multiple High End sensors Witness this. Your Government is not even recording this data, let alone give it to you. They don't want you to investigate it, they don't want to investigate it themselves yet multiple independent people on different ships and official documentation…

Those "high end sensors" can and do fail in more ways than you can even count to.

Which is why the nimitz case is so intresting. Multiple sensors on different ships and planes all saw the same thing and then the pilots got visual confirmation after being lead there by the radar ship.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by ric2b »

ctvo wrote: post #843
simonh wrote: post #735

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Because I watched his review analysis, I saw the instrument readings in the video that the pilots were talking about. I've listened to the explanation of what the instrument readings show, including explanatory diagrams, which has been confirmed by other experts on those systems. It's perfectly obvious in the bird video that the pilots are mistaken, their recorded statements are obvious misreadings of the instrument…

> Because I ... lack trust in institutions. I think I'm smarter than experts, and know better with 1/1000th the training, and 0 context they have access to. See my other contributions on covid or the war in Ukraine. (Not targeting you specifically, but the general sentiment)

They gave you a bunch of actual reasons based on evidence and you dismissed everything with an argument based on authority...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by Karawebnetwork »

yokoprime wrote: post #720
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #713

To me this sounds like if I was saying "as an owner of a bank account, I witnessed decisions of the French budget that I do not understand. It must be secret money". He is a pilot, and saw stuff. Since there are not always data driven evidence (we just do not know, it could have been this or that) it is easier to say UFO. Maybe this is incompetence of the ones who monitor the sky, and they want to hide it. Maybe we c…

What is OVNI? Is this French for UFO?

Objet volant non identifié

Objet: object

volant: flying

non identifié: Unidentified

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by graderjs »

simonh wrote: post #935
graderjs wrote: post #910

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they really debunked tho? Hardly. Not conclusive, unless you want it to be.

See for yourself. This is the most clear case of misidentification. All the data you need is shown in the instrument recording and he takes us through how to interpret it step by step. Of course Mick has the advantage of having plenty of time to work through exactly what all the instrument readings are telling us and perform all the trigonometry to interpret it accurately, and explain it to us step by step, while the…

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. I've heard good things and not good about this dude, but I'll go see for myself.

My priors are (but not limited to): 1)"These 10n Navy folk, who do this all day, and seen this stuff over months, across FLIR, radar, visual, from multiple planes and ships, cannot be wrong, and their sensors cannot be wrong in such a consistent way as to create such an artefact, it just seems extremely low probability."; also, 2)"Reports of UAP/UFO going back 100s of years (or 1000s if you want to include the Bible), but at least far enough back that it's not anomalies in sensor data."; also, 3)"Millions of MUFON reports and abduction reports around the world. All these people can't be lying/insane." etc...

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