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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by phendrenad2 »

lostcolony wrote: post #531
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #524

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Counterpoint: any civilization advanced enough for interplanetary travel is also smart enough to reveal itself when it WANTS to reveal itself. Cloaking and stealth are reasonably simpler technologies compared to traveling light years.

I mean, sure, but Occam's razor probably applies, no? Seems more likely that people occasionally misidentify something or hallucinate something or similar, than that there are interplanetary travelers who have both FTL travel and perfect cloaking abilities who come to earth, turn them off just long enough to fuck with a couple of people, then turn them back on and fly off.

Do people generally randomly hallucinate things? We don't get reports of flying spaghetti monsters. Only shiny craft in the sky. Perhaps people only hallucinate things that are on a certain level socially-acceptable to hallucinate?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by 8note »

SquareWheel wrote: post #230
pmarreck wrote: post #198

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Exactly how many eyewitness accounts, devoid of good physical evidence, constitute "Evidence" with a capital "E"? If this number is "infinity" for you, that is unreasonable.

The number is infinity. There is a reason that data is not the plural of anecdote. Once scrutinized, these phenomena are almost always explained by humans misinterpreting their instruments (either machine readout, or their own eyes). Honestly, you wouldn't believe how many people report _the moon_ as a UFO because it shows up in an odd place, gets distorted by unique atmospheric conditions, and can appear in differen…

Each anecdote is a datum, so a set of them is indeed data.

Data needs to be considered for whether it's reliable or useful. Bad data is still data

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by oldstrangers »

belter wrote: post #414

- 40,000 to 70,000 Amateur Astronomers, scan the skies every night, with precision instruments capable to distinguish Jupiter atmosphere bands. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - About 500 observatories in the world, most of which are located in the Northern hemisphere study nightly stars, galaxies, planets and other celestial objects. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - By some rough est…

Re: the astronomers not seeing anything

Well one of the storylines is that these things are coming out of the ocean, so in that sense, telescopes pointed at space aren't going to be of much help.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by ShredKazoo »

alto22 wrote: post #539
giantrobot wrote: post #452

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> Is it so unreasonable to guess that intelligent life arose more than once? This is absolutely ludicrous. It doesn't matter how many stars are in the sky or how likely life bearing planets are in the galaxy. There's a vast gulf between "life exists on multiple planets in the galaxy" and "that life is flying around Earth in little metal spaceships that defy all known physical laws".

Not to mention, "that life is appearing to deliberately be almost completely elusive for no clear reason, in a way that's eerily similar to other superstitions like mermaids, fairies, Santa Claus, and Big foot."

Do active duty jet pilots report seeing mermaids, fairies, Santa Claus, or Big foot on a regular basis?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by phendrenad2 »

ggm wrote: post #301

The great thing about perception is that "Objects demonstrating extreme capabilities routinely fly over our military facilities and training ranges. We don’t know what they are, and we are unable to mitigate their presence." uses one word (fly) in a way which can be read as implying they are there. Sorry. You saw something. your sensors reported something. Was it there? Good question. it IS a question. Really what I…

What's a CCD error? And how does the CCD know which way you're pointing it to know where to inject the fake UFO?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by [deleted] »

jschrf wrote: post #543
Animats wrote: post #529

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High-performance hobbyist drones are approaching UFO levels of performance.[1] Top speed of that one is well over 400MPH. One of those will cost you maybe US$8000. The triangular craft seen buzzing US Navy ships off the coast of California look a lot like those. There's a huge range of remote controlled aerial vehicles you can buy now. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPGDAZyQ44k

400 mph is way off from 40000mph, which is one of the speed estimates from an encounter. My pet theory is that the UAP footage we've seen from the last few year is actually sensor warfare, i.e. spoofing

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by RajT88 »

jamiek88 wrote: post #538
majestic5762 wrote: post #523

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What's antisemitic from my words? But you're correct: people see patterns, like me or you, and they're often wrong, but not always. The truth lurks in there somewhere. But that was just my theory based on personal experience and observation. I'm not interested in political, religious or racial discussions.

These are all tropes about (((JEWS)) historically, ((NEW WORLD ORDER) is ((JEWS)). It's thinly veiled stuff to a lot of people. Coincidental here I'm sure, but it can raise the hackles. Especially 'secret fraternities', makes you think freemasons etc often used pejoratively by anti semites. Just shedding some light here not making any accusations.

NWO is not quite as common as "Globalists", but you are correct.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by groby_b »

majestic5762 wrote: post #530
ccn0p wrote: post #513

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Yep, because fear is the key to control and compliance. It's the oldest trick in the book. There has to be a kernel of truth in order to be effective.

Exactly. [redacted, i was wrong]

Dude. Loosen the tinfoil, it's affecting blood circulation to your brain.

If you spend three seconds looking at the URL, you'll figure out why the CIA hosts it. But here, I'll make it easy: https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/index.html

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by 8note »

teawrecks wrote: post #503
pmarreck wrote: post #198

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Exactly how many eyewitness accounts, devoid of good physical evidence, constitute "Evidence" with a capital "E"? If this number is "infinity" for you, that is unreasonable.

The number is infinity. Without being taught or gathering evidence, the first conclusion that every human would come to on their own is that they live on a flat plane. Yet this is patently untrue. The human perspective is often fundamentally flawed, and only after conducting actual science can you arrive at something even slightly representing the truth.

Humans do live in a flat plane, since on earth at the human scale, things are pretty flat locally.

You couldn't say that it's an infinite flat plane, but you could say pretty definitively that you don't live on the inside of a cylinder or sphere

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