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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by yunohn »

ly3xqhl8g9 wrote: post #401
paulpan wrote: post #218

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Not if Microsoft kills itself in the process? At best it's a Pyrrhic victory as both companies sink enormous infra costs to outdo one another. Worst case could be like Nokia acquisition debacle a decade ago when Microsoft desperately tried to re-break into mobile and failed. There was a HN thread on this a while ago where consensus was serving cost ~$0.03-0.05 PER query, which is absolutely huge. Adds more credence t…

It's ~$0.03 per query if you were to buy the compute from AWS/Azure. If you own the datacenters it's probably more around $0.0003, perhaps less.

> average is probably single-digits cents per chat; trying to figure out more precisely and also how we can optimize it

- Sam Altman

https://twitter.com/sama/status/1599671496636780546

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by visarga »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #37

The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

Browser and desktop automation coming soon from AdeptAI and other companies. This kind of task requires learning to act and understand UIs.

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Post by paxys »

2bitencryption wrote: post #400
paxys wrote: post #157

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Bing+ChatGPT answers for your query: > That’s a very specific question. Based on my web searches, there are not many cars that meet all of your criteria. However, I found some possible options that you might want to consider: > The 2022 Kia Telluride is a midsize SUV that can seat up to eight passengers and has an AWD option. It has a 3.8-liter V6 engine that produces 291 hp and 262 lb-ft of torque. It can accelerate…

But this is exactly what I am talking about!! > The "0-60 in x seconds" in each paragraph were bolded, and the numbers next to it are citations. And if you follow the citation to the source... where does the source mention the 0 to 60 speed for the Tesla Model Y? Nowhere. It was hallucinated. It invented a citation that doesn't exist. Ctrl+f for Tesla on the so-called "source" that it cited. It doesn't appear once, a…

Sites can serve different versions of the same page to users vs crawlers. Or it could have been updated, making the ChatGPT index out of date (which is a real problem, and something they are working on).

The number itself is not incorrect. Tesla Model Y (AWD version) does have an advertised 0-60 time of 4.8s.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by unoti »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #388
davesque wrote: post #289

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Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

> They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm.

I'm not so sure. Imagine having a human assistant that's smart enough to pass the bar, get an MBA, pass medical exams, and knows how to work on your car, and is good at brainstorming, and and and...

And having that person do searches for you. Are you sure that working with this assistant wouldn't be a better user interface to the internet than the search we have today? And what if that assistant was willing to work for pennies per hour...

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Post by yunohn »

larrybud wrote: post #462
eklitzke wrote: post #416

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The profit margins of cloud providers are nowhere close to that. GCP and Azure currently lose money for Google and Microsoft, AWS is profitable but their profit margins are absolutely not 100x.

> GCP and Azure currently lose money for Google and Microsoft 100% not true for Microsoft. Just listen to the most recent earnings call or read the analyst reports. Eg https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/microsoft-nasdaq:msft:-cloud... “In fiscal Q2, Microsoft Cloud’s gross profit margin even expanded by about 2% year-over-year to 72%. When you have a business with such high margins growing at 20%+, profitability is set…

> gross

Being the key word…

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by donmcronald »

yellow_postit wrote: post #342
Fatnino wrote: post #280

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Are people using Edge? I don't use windows much anymore so I wouldn't know. But yesterday my dad asked for help logging into TurboTax. He had the login page open in Edge and ui elements were just not responding to clicks. I didn't spend any time trying to debug that and simply opened the page in Firefox where it worked perfectly.

I find the native vertical taskbar and tab snoozing to be the key features though the endless upsells keep trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory/conversion.

This is exactly my experience. Really awesome features like tab groups are offset by junk like coupons and integration with things I don't want. I even used Edge on Linux for a while, but eventually I got sick of the constant stream of new features I didn't want and switched to Firefox.

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Post by codethief »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #37

The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

> I wish I could just explain to ChatGPT what I need copied and pasted from one document to another or what needs to be filled out.

Recently, in a conversation with ChatGPT, I gave him a system administration task and told him I was a Linux terminal running bash and I would paste and execute everything he told me into the shell (and respond with the output). It worked okay – I wouldn't recommend it for production use yet – but I think, with future iterations of language transformer models, interfaces like the one you're describing as well as others (AI terminal, AI X Server, AI speakers/microphone) and combinations thereof stand a very good chance of becoming integral to our daily work.

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Post by visarga »

nradov wrote: post #10
jimrandomh wrote: post #5

This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…

There's nothing irresponsible about it. There is no evidence that ChatGPT is a step towards AGI development. And even if it is, so what? People made similar breathless claims about irresponsibility about every major innovation throughout history. The Catholic Church thought it was irresponsible to hand out printed books to commoners and teach them how to read.

Look, you can call it whatever you like, it can be a useful assistant. A rose by any other name.

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Post by alentred »

hankman86 wrote: post #495

Everyone keeps talking about Google being caught off guard, declaring a “code red” scenario and reeling the founders back in to avert an existential threat etc. I don’t personally care about Google so much. They haven’t innovated on their core product in a long time. What most of the journalistic coverage of the Bing+ChatGPT integration seems to be missing is that this is also the end of organic search traffic. Infor…

> And as ChatGPT evolves into an assistant that performs actual jobs for you, websites that perform actual services (e.g., online shopping) may be next in line to suffer a decline in traffic.

Or an alternative: websites that perform actual services will be redesigned to facilitate the integration with (their use by) ChatGPT and continue providing the value to the end user (for example, in case of online shopping, users still buy from the shop, even if ChatGPT is their primary interface).

Maybe we are on the verge of developing a new standard for the ChatGPT "programming" interface.

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Post by pyth0 »

codepoet80 wrote: post #353
whoomp12342 wrote: post #331

You know, the other day windows 11 would not allow me to install git-scm, because it didnt come from the microsoft store. I am sure this will go well.

You mean like macOS since like...Yosemite?

This is nonsense. You can install software on the mac from outside the App Store.
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