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Post by grugagag »

lottin wrote: post #433
sn0wf1re wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reminds me of the Tiktok vs Youtube comparison. Ad revenue was way higher on long format content, but the success of Tiktok means that Youtube now has to pay more to creators, even if their margins are lower. AI as search is lower margin but Google will need to implement it just to stay relevant.

Tiktok succeeded because it offered something that the public wanted. I don't know that a chat bot is something that the public wants. I know I have no use for it.

Now youtube trying to catch up with Tiktok is ruining their users experience with their 'Shorts' feature. My opinion at least. I wish I could hide shorts and never see them again...

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Post by larrybud »

eklitzke wrote: post #416
ly3xqhl8g9 wrote: post #401

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It's ~$0.03 per query if you were to buy the compute from AWS/Azure. If you own the datacenters it's probably more around $0.0003, perhaps less.

The profit margins of cloud providers are nowhere close to that. GCP and Azure currently lose money for Google and Microsoft, AWS is profitable but their profit margins are absolutely not 100x.

> GCP and Azure currently lose money for Google and Microsoft

100% not true for Microsoft. Just listen to the most recent earnings call or read the analyst reports.

Eg https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/microsoft-nasdaq:msft:-cloud... “In fiscal Q2, Microsoft Cloud’s gross profit margin even expanded by about 2% year-over-year to 72%. When you have a business with such high margins growing at 20%+, profitability is set to expand considerably even if revenues in other segments fail to rebound”

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by prima-facie »

davesque wrote: post #289
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

It's the Xerox Parc story all over again.

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Post by Miraste »

dwohnitmok wrote: post #71
jimrandomh wrote: post #5

This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…

This is why the technology community should be more generous and understanding when we hear Demis Hassabis and others talk about how future AI development may need to be more closed. There's some discussion to be had for whether that's net negative, but we need to understand that if open development only exacerbates an AI arms race, that's potentially very bad.

No, it's exactly the opposite. Giving control of technology like this to only megacorporations and superpowers is a nakedly terrible outcome and advocates for it should be given zero traction.

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Post by nradov »

siva7 wrote: post #252

Now Bing is finally a real competitor to Google Search. Makes me wonder if we are slowly seeing Google losing its edge.

Bing has been a real competitor to Google Search for several years in terms of results quality and features. Google retained their dominant market share largely due to inertia, and ties to unrelated products.

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Post by MichaelDickens »

sn0wf1re wrote: post #393
HDThoreaun wrote: post #388

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> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

It reminds me of the Tiktok vs Youtube comparison. Ad revenue was way higher on long format content, but the success of Tiktok means that Youtube now has to pay more to creators, even if their margins are lower. AI as search is lower margin but Google will need to implement it just to stay relevant.

I'm not sure I understand. If long form content makes more money, how can TikTok afford to pay creators to attract them away from YouTube?

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Post by pphysch »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #364
pphysch wrote: post #314

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1) Fair. 2) The masses aren't remotely aware of how their ideas and behaviors have been manipulated by PR experts for their entire lives, and that isn't about to change.

Big difference between "don't care" and "uninformed". I don't care that google is advertising to me in the way they currently do, I would if all the responses were ads though, or if I wasn't able to tell what is from what isn't.

>...or if I wasn't able to tell what is from what isn't.

That's exactly my assertion, that the average person has no idea how the bulk of their opinions and behaviors have been suggested to them by a handful of media conglomerates and other powerful organizations.

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Post by huijzer »

loudmax wrote: post #323
basch wrote: post #210

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>of course Edge is Chrome under the hood Embrace, Extend. That's the beauty of open source, right? If development and innovation slows, somebody can fork.

> Embrace, Extend. Wonder what comes next from Microsoft after Embrace and Extend ...

Antitrust?
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