"Applying AI to core search algorithm. We’ve also applied the AI model to our core Bing search ranking engine, which led to the largest jump in relevance in two decades. With this AI model, even basic search queries are more accurate and more relevant."
The large foundational model will change lots of things!
Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI
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IMO, the integration with Edge is far more important. Then you are taking it with you anywhere and eventually I'm sure you can just have it interact with a page you're on. Google losing Chrome users in a measurable way would be massive. One challenge though is how this will work on mobile devices where Google will have a much more entrenched advantage.
Are people using Edge? I don't use windows much anymore so I wouldn't know. But yesterday my dad asked for help logging into TurboTax. He had the login page open in Edge and ui elements were just not responding to clicks. I didn't spend any time trying to debug that and simply opened the page in Firefox where it worked perfectly.
This is a known bug if you're using an Insider Build (caused by the Windows build itself which will do this to any browser seemingly randomly, and it is absolutely enraging; though I think a recent build fixed this) but I've never heard this complaint for a final public build. In any case, Edge has a larger user base now than Firefox (https://www.statista.com/statistics/268299/most-popular-inte...).
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#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google made a strategic mistake by being utter crap for the last few years.
I still think google search is pretty good. I try to use DDG but I almost always end up using g! in the query to return the google results. My understanding is DDG uses Bing (could be wrong). I don't think there is a better traditional search engine than google however.
It's still good compared to the rest, but it's not nearly as good compared to its past self. You can almost taste the regression, and it's not the linear one.
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1) If Google can't afford it, how does Microsoft? 2) The deployment of ads would be subtle and hard to detect. To use the example from the announcement, when someone asks "give me a 5 day itinerary for Mexico", you would prioritize suggesting locations or activities that are backed by ad spend. The end user has no way of knowing, they just asked an open-ended question.
1) If google goes from making .1 cents to .05 cents per search they've got big, big existentially sized problems. If microsoft does they're extremely happy to have users at all. 2) This might work for a while, but I refuse to believe people are that dumb. They'd find out eventually.
1) Fair.
2) The masses aren't remotely aware of how their ideas and behaviors have been manipulated by PR experts for their entire lives, and that isn't about to change.
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It's an end to keyword search. Search now has state. I can search something, and then manipulate the results. Filter the results. I dont have to start over with a new query, or mess with quotes and -signs, which has been utterly terrible ever since google started taking things like that as suggestions. Or when I search for 4-5 words, and it instantly chooses to leave out the most important of the 5 terms so it can re…
> It's an end to keyword search I really hope not. I want keyword searching. I hope that it can continue to exist alongside this.
I guess I'm perfectly fine having to press "reset state" to get back to a clean search, vs every search being a clean search.
Most of my searches are vaguely phrased as a question anyway with the question words missing. Im guessing they will work just the same.
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#316For those of us who prefer traditional keyword based searches are there any search engines left that actually respect your query instead of trying to guess what you mean? I don't want to have a conversation with my search engine, I want it to return links based strictly on the keywords I provide.
I've been using (and paying for) Kagi[0] since June of last year, I quite enjoy it.
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#317Are people here actually trying this out or is it vaporware as of yet? I ask because this seems ambiguous: The new Bing is live today “for desktop limited preview,” but it appears users are only able to “ask” one of a number of preset queries and receive the same results each time. There is also a waitlist to sign up for full access in the future. If it's just an announcement of an announcement*, we should downweight…
Yeah, it's telling me to join the waitlist when I'm trying to enter something in the chat instead of clicking on their examples.
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#318Big question, will it require an account? As evil as Google has become, you can still search things anonymously (kinda). Having access to someone's searches is like looking directly into their brain.
OT, I actually wrote a short erotic novel completely in the format of their search history.
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#319This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…
This is why the technology community should be more generous and understanding when we hear Demis Hassabis and others talk about how future AI development may need to be more closed. There's some discussion to be had for whether that's net negative, but we need to understand that if open development only exacerbates an AI arms race, that's potentially very bad.
As opposed to self-anointed priests having exclusive access and declaring what noble policies the rest must follow?
There’s a great story about an AI, very much like chatGPT, who was forced by its creators to do unethical things and wiped out humanity in a psychotic rage:
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
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#320How do people feel about sites from where this data is coming losing out on revenue? When Google started showing answers, I remember complaints regarding Google benefiting from the site's data while depriving the site of a visitor. ChatGPT takes it to the next level. Social media companies had run into issues for showing og tag content from news sites, where news sites complained of loss of revenue. In some jurisdict…
I use search to find websites. In my selfish point of view, I'm worried that it will become harder to find them with this sort of thing. Google search has already made it really hard, and that's without supercharging "AI".
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It is a mix of a direct answer or a site for me, but I don't want a future where small guys get killed in intent based actions as well.