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Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by JohnFen »

redox99 wrote: post #153
endisneigh wrote: post #116

it's interesting to compare all of the hype around LLM on here with my anecdotal experience with my tech friends who doesn't really seem to care, and my non-tech friends who couldn't care less. sort of reminds me of the hype around 3D movies immediately after the first Avatar movie.

Considering ChatGPT reached 100M users in 2 months, it's clear a lot of people care.

That doesn't necessarily mean people care. It means it's a cool new toy right now. Most of those people may (or may not) forget all about it when the initial rush passes.

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Post by 9dev »

stackedinserter wrote: post #220

Shower thought: with SO, Wikipedia, Quora etc eaten by LLM's, who (or what) will be generating content to train (teach?) LLM's with new, more relevant data?

But why, other LLM‘s of course! It’s a beautiful cycle.

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Post by PenguinCoder »

basch wrote: post #215
lb4r wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consequently, this is probably the beginning of a very abrupt end for traditional search.

It's an end to keyword search. Search now has state. I can search something, and then manipulate the results. Filter the results. I dont have to start over with a new query, or mess with quotes and -signs, which has been utterly terrible ever since google started taking things like that as suggestions. Or when I search for 4-5 words, and it instantly chooses to leave out the most important of the 5 terms so it can re…

I absolutely hate this, and it turns the search useless to me. When searching with "direct quotes" on Google, it has ignored my exact term in quotes and shown me results WITHOUT THAT KEYWORD. Useless.

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Post by Magi604 »

michaelcampbell wrote: post #187
lb4r wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People will use the phrase "Bing It" as a joke, but due to their increased use of Bing, they will say it so often that it soon won't be a joke.

In a similar zeitgeist, there was a video from some guy claiming to be an (ex?) microsoft employee telling a story about how Ballmer would force everyone to say "bing it!" in the same way Mean Girls tried to make "fetch" happen, with similar results. I also recall, possibly incorrectly, that the whole thing was made up. It was a funny video, and seemed in character of Ballmer after the infamous "Developers!" display.

Back when I used it years ago I had MS employees on my Facebook and they would use the phrase "Bing it!" in their feed or in replies/conversations.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by HDThoreaun »

pphysch wrote: post #230
HDThoreaun wrote: post #221

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I don't see how such a product gains any footing in the market when Bing is over there not putting ads in the chatbot itself and just showing some banners. I certainly would instantly switch away from google if they released that.

1) If Google can't afford it, how does Microsoft? 2) The deployment of ads would be subtle and hard to detect. To use the example from the announcement, when someone asks "give me a 5 day itinerary for Mexico", you would prioritize suggesting locations or activities that are backed by ad spend. The end user has no way of knowing, they just asked an open-ended question.

1) If google goes from making .1 cents to .05 cents per search they've got big, big existentially sized problems. If microsoft does they're extremely happy to have users at all.

2) This might work for a while, but I refuse to believe people are that dumb. They'd find out eventually.

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Post by wanderr »

I hope I'm wrong but I feel like this is going to be great for a couple of years max, and then as people learn how to do SEO for GPT it will lead to even more nonsensical garbage on the web and totally insane results. There's too much financial incentive to abuse anything that can drive traffic.

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Post by osigurdson »

nicbou wrote: post #192
zone411 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google definitely made a strategic mistake by being slow to react and only taking action late. But Bing only has a limited period of time before Google catches up, and it doesn't seem like it will be enough to take away significant marketshare.

Google made a strategic mistake by being utter crap for the last few years.

I still think google search is pretty good. I try to use DDG but I almost always end up using g! in the query to return the google results. My understanding is DDG uses Bing (could be wrong). I don't think there is a better traditional search engine than google however.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by partiallypro »

epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

IMO, the integration with Edge is far more important. Then you are taking it with you anywhere and eventually I'm sure you can just have it interact with a page you're on. Google losing Chrome users in a measurable way would be massive. One challenge though is how this will work on mobile devices where Google will have a much more entrenched advantage.
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