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Post by HDThoreaun »

pphysch wrote: post #206
HDThoreaun wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google could put out a peer product and win simply due to existing momentum in search. This is the likely outcome, but I don't see how it's anything but an utter disaster for Google. The only way for chatbots to monetize at the rate google is currently monetizing search is by the responses themselves being ads. Would people use such a product or would they reject in favor of a product that has simple banner ads? I…

If I were an advertiser, I would be keenly interested in how my client's products can be embedded into natural-sounding AI conversation. That is an extraordinary valuable innovation and Google can charge accordingly. Meanwhile, MS has a lot of catching up to do in the ad space.

I don't see how such a product gains any footing in the market when Bing is over there not putting ads in the chatbot itself and just showing some banners. I certainly would instantly switch away from google if they released that.

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

nradov wrote: post #10
jimrandomh wrote: post #5

This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…

There's nothing irresponsible about it. There is no evidence that ChatGPT is a step towards AGI development. And even if it is, so what? People made similar breathless claims about irresponsibility about every major innovation throughout history. The Catholic Church thought it was irresponsible to hand out printed books to commoners and teach them how to read.

Citation needed - this is actually an ahistorical myth.

The Printing Press was welcomed as a "divine art," and Papal bull 1515 declared printing "uniquely advantageous to extending the glory of God, to the increase of the faith, and the diffusion of the arts and sciences." Most early universities were also established in the 11th and 12th centuries; with Pope Alexander III in 1179 "forbidding masters of the church schools to take fees for granting the license to teach (licentia docendi), and obliging them to give license to properly qualified teachers."

This historical ignorance often comes from historical misrepresentation. For example, the "chained books" which many historians now admit was due to the rarity and cost of the books, so that more people could read them by preventing theft - the very opposite of the suppression tool they are often portrayed to be. (The Reformers would also, ironically, chain their books for over 300 years Post-Reformation for the same reason.)

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Post by curiousgal »

jimrandomh wrote: post #5

This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…

Anyone who has worked closely with AI knows that this has absolutely nothing to do with AGI whatsoever. To me this is akin to someone sounding the alarm bells over React or some other technical tool.

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Post by blihp »

epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Probably not overtake from a market share standpoint, but they could definitely get a much bigger slice. It looks like Bing is somewhere in the 3-4% market share range currently. So if they could get to even 15-20% over the next couple years they'd probably be thrilled with the ROI of their OpenAI investment since they still have all the services integration stuff in addition to whatever return they get from search.

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Post by basch »

Waterluvian wrote: post #167

This feels like a great opportunity to give it a better name than Bing and quietly retire it.

Edge Surfer.

Bring back the sense of expedition and wonder that came from Explorer, Safari, Navigator, and the old language of the www: cyber, surf, crawl/web.

Although I think in the long run, the product category being under the Copilot bucket will work well. Instead of Cortana or Clippy, maybe an old Biplane.

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Post by brookst »

skilled wrote: post #155

Well, they better start figuring out how to let writers opt out of this horseshit because I am not about to live my life and write content knowing that some AI model will hoover it up and fuck me out of my livelihood.

Did you hoover up anything from books you've read?

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Post by deafpolygon »

partiallypro wrote: post #40
mustacheemperor wrote: post #37

The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

Edge is genuinely very very good. It does have some dev tool problems that I've run into, but for browser it's top notch.

I want to use Edge but for some reason, on my 3 monitor display - it lags when crossing into another display. Firefox does not do this at all.

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Post by pphysch »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #221
pphysch wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were an advertiser, I would be keenly interested in how my client's products can be embedded into natural-sounding AI conversation. That is an extraordinary valuable innovation and Google can charge accordingly. Meanwhile, MS has a lot of catching up to do in the ad space.

I don't see how such a product gains any footing in the market when Bing is over there not putting ads in the chatbot itself and just showing some banners. I certainly would instantly switch away from google if they released that.

1) If Google can't afford it, how does Microsoft?

2) The deployment of ads would be subtle and hard to detect. To use the example from the announcement, when someone asks "give me a 5 day itinerary for Mexico", you would prioritize suggesting locations or activities that are backed by ad spend. The end user has no way of knowing, they just asked an open-ended question.

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