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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by altdataseller »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #108
dharma1 wrote: post #93

Wonder what the compute cost for this ends up being. My guess is they will have to somehow rate limit it - I’m sure the rollout speed will also depend how much people end up using it. Maybe they will figure out some ad revenue - but I don’t think they can charge users for this. Would love to know how much compute $ they’re willing to throw at this to attempt to topple Google. Probably whatever it takes (within reason…

Maybe searches just arent that unique and they will cache all but the long tail of answers

15% of searches are unique according to https://www.seroundtable.com/amp/15-of-search-queries-google...

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Post by zone411 »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #191
braingenious wrote: post #183

I’m really curious as to how on Earth did Google fumble the ball on this stuff? It’s hilarious that their search offering has been so bad for so long that the new Big Idea in Search is “What if you searched something and the returned result wasn’t garbage?”

I don't see it as fumbling the ball. The technology is brand new and Google just yesterday announced they are currently testing bringing this to chat too. Just like Apple does not release folding phones and rear screens first, the major player does not need to be the first mover. OpenAI has grabbed all the publicity but this entire time Google research has been publishing their own work in the field and they have sho…

They pretty much admitted that they did fumble the ball: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/21/technology/ai-chatgpt-goo.... But I agree that Google's research is #1 and they will come back strong.

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Post by coldpie »

skilled wrote: post #155

Well, they better start figuring out how to let writers opt out of this horseshit because I am not about to live my life and write content knowing that some AI model will hoover it up and fuck me out of my livelihood.

> they better start figuring out how to let writers opt out of this horseshit

I don't say this happily, but I think you can go ahead and make plans assuming that isn't going to happen.

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Post by curiousllama »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #37

The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

> I wish I could just explain to ChatGPT what I need copied and pasted from one document to another or what needs to be filled out

Is this something in the same problem space as ChatGPT? I'm not sure an LLM would be well suited for that, but could be wrong.

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Post by pphysch »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #200
pphysch wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too early to say. Microsoft has to execute well, as a first-mover, while Google has to fail to execute. This could easily blow up in Microsoft's face (infrastructure failure or safety/correctness issues), or Google could put out a peer product and win simply due to existing momentum in search.

> Google could put out a peer product and win simply due to existing momentum in search. This is the likely outcome, but I don't see how it's anything but an utter disaster for Google. The only way for chatbots to monetize at the rate google is currently monetizing search is by the responses themselves being ads. Would people use such a product or would they reject in favor of a product that has simple banner ads? I…

If I were an advertiser, I would be keenly interested in how my client's products can be embedded into natural-sounding AI conversation. That is an extraordinary valuable innovation and Google can charge accordingly.

Meanwhile, MS has a lot of catching up to do in the ad space.

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Post by residentraspber »

mwaitjmp wrote: post #173
pphysch wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's going to eat up a lot of Wikipedia, StackOverflow, Quora, etc. traffic but it doesn't change the reality that often you need a real link to somewhere else on the Internet. And all of that is still going through Google or Bing.

From what I’ve seen chatgpt is able to generate a list of links for a topic you are discussing. They seemed very relevant to me when I tried this. Obviously it won’t have anything post 2021 but for some subjects it’s fine.

The article states that they got a demo where they were able to ask questions about the new Bing launch, so the delay is ~hours now, not 2021 anymore (at least, for this new Microsoft thing).

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Post by echelon »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #200
pphysch wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too early to say. Microsoft has to execute well, as a first-mover, while Google has to fail to execute. This could easily blow up in Microsoft's face (infrastructure failure or safety/correctness issues), or Google could put out a peer product and win simply due to existing momentum in search.

> Google could put out a peer product and win simply due to existing momentum in search. This is the likely outcome, but I don't see how it's anything but an utter disaster for Google. The only way for chatbots to monetize at the rate google is currently monetizing search is by the responses themselves being ads. Would people use such a product or would they reject in favor of a product that has simple banner ads? I…

In this new world, building Google-like products will be easy, which is the most threatening problem for Google.

Some like to point at the resources required to build training sets -- and moreover -- to train, yet open source efforts will not lag in any area except for product deployment. And there will be a host of companies willing to solve for that.

The product with the fewest ads and best results will win. A monumental problem for Google.

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Post by basch »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #37

The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

[ended up with a duplicate half comment. see above: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34698426]

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by basch »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #37

The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

>of course Edge is Chrome under the hood

Embrace, Extend. That's the beauty of open source, right? If development and innovation slows, somebody can fork.

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