I wonder if the ads given by this will be unblockable.
Just train a model to break the returned text into a set of claims, evaluate each claim for likelihood of being an ad, and then excise those claims that are likely ads.
Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI
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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI
#472Coming soon: I'm sorry, Dave. I can't answer that while your ad-blocker is enabled.
I also can't answer that question while your default search engine is not Bing and your default browser is not Edge.
Imagine the wonderful future in which, instead of boilerplate popups, Bing uses natural language and your own data to try to convince you to use it :/
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#473This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?
Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…
Microsoft has fucked with Xerox in the 80's. Now they're doing the same with Google.
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#474The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…
>of course Edge is Chrome under the hood Embrace, Extend. That's the beauty of open source, right? If development and innovation slows, somebody can fork.
Embrace like king kong embraces godzilla, how are you going to extinguish godzilla? Newsflash its not possible!
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#475Earlier quoted context omitted.
It reminds me of the Tiktok vs Youtube comparison. Ad revenue was way higher on long format content, but the success of Tiktok means that Youtube now has to pay more to creators, even if their margins are lower. AI as search is lower margin but Google will need to implement it just to stay relevant.
Tiktok succeeded because it offered something that the public wanted. I don't know that a chat bot is something that the public wants. I know I have no use for it.
TikTok is like heroin. Sure there’s a market for it but it’s not a particularly great thing to provide.
A chatbot like chatGPT actually has a great potential to be useful for accomplishing real tasks.
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#476Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's the decay? How many searches are only searched 2 and 3 times? I'd question if it's worth it to store the results an AI output for 3 years so that you don't need to regenerate it when someone searches it in the future. For 1 - you're probably going to have a meaningfully better model every year...
Yes, there’s a graph of cache duration to hit ratio. With no data or particular domain expertise, I’d bet a 24 hour cache would hit at least 30% of the time, and a 7 day cache 60% of the time. The problem is that a lot of the misses will be for recent events. How do you know whether “how many 737 maxes have crashed” should be served with a cache that is 3 months old?
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#477Earlier quoted context omitted.
they'd have to get ChatGPT to stop spewing up made up bullshit and fake academic citations first, which I think is a bit of a bigger problem than many seem to be considering. the outcome will still be hilarious though, so it's win win for the onlookers I guess edit: all the responses here who think the garbage is "just fine, at least it's not SEO" are similarly hilarious. as though SEO would not be polluting the AI a…
This is a commonly echoed complaint but it’s largely without merit. ChatGPT spews nonsense because it has no access to information outside of its training set. In the context of a search engine, single shot learning with the top search results should mitigate almost all hallucination.
Not if it's only looking at the top search results. Those are very often terrible sources of information.
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#478Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's an end to keyword search I really hope not. I want keyword searching. I hope that it can continue to exist alongside this.
Most people ask human-style questions, eg: "How do I turn my toaster on?"; unlike tech enthusiasts who might be more inclined to feed mechanical queries, eg: "toaster turn on -site:reddit.com". If the former query becomes more useful, even at the cost of the latter (which has gotten fairly useless already anyway), that is an overall boon for end-users.
Only for some kind of searches.
E.g. I'd suspect most people use keyword search when looking for images. They don't do "show me that funny picture of when AI drew the salmon swimming except it misunderstood salmon", they look for "ai generated salmon swimming".
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#479This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…
Can anyone link a credible expert who thinks that LLMs could ever evolve into AGI? Every single source I’ve read said that while LLMs are competent at language and certain tasks, they are conceptually completely distinct from the basic components of an AGI. For example, they lack structured knowledge and metacognition.
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#480Earlier quoted context omitted.
It'd be the overtaking of the century. Let's see. Bing market share in the US = Edge market share in the US = 50% of internet traffic comes from phones). Even if they get 100% of Google searches on Edge-devices to go to Bing (which they'll be lucky if they even get to 50% on their platforms) - it will hardly do anything... The rate at which Edge is becoming irrelevant as people transition traffic to laptops (more lik…
I disagree, but for totally different reasons. I think Edge's advantage is MS could build a load of corporately validated plugins and service in it for employees, making it the de facto corporate browser. Then with some decent features around work/life separation with bookmarks and password management and it could easily start bleeding back into consumerland.
Instead, MS builds Edge with a load of (mind-booggling) functionality that, not-only no-one asked for, but positively put businesses off ever using Edge: things like built-in shopping price-comparisons and price-tracking[1], “Bing Rewards”[2], and most egregiously of all (and quickly back-pedalled…): directly advertising retail finance services to users[3].
All (well, most) of this unwanted functionality can be disabled via Group Policy (and MDM for non-AD computers?) but only businesses with competent/knowledgeable IT people can do that - for everyone else it’s just going to push users away.
Microsoft (and Edge, Windows and Bing) so desperately wants to be loved by users - that’s how you maintain market-share, but they can’t stop self-sabotaging everything with the most asinine things like above (…and the Windows 11 Start Menu). I don’t understand it - and I used to work at Microsoft![4]
[1]: https://www.howtogeek.com/769820/microsoft-edge-gets-yet-ano...
[2]: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/rewards/edge-bonus
[3]: https://www.howtogeek.com/769427/microsoft-edge-wants-to-giv...
[4]: granted, I was in DevDiv, where the only objection I had to the products’ direction was the colour scheme - my friends in OSG (Windows) and Bing had lots of horror stories of orders to implement dumb ideas coming from org heads - rarely was it actual user demand. Arguably what makes Apple a standout is their internal propensity to say “no” - Microsoft needs that.