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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by huijzer »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #388
davesque wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

Since we’re on a technical site here, can I ask why ChatGPT cost exponentially more to run? The inference time for a neural net is constant so I’d say that it scales linearly with the number of users.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by Miraste »

djfobbz wrote: post #371
davesque wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

Do you see Edge using OS Chromium at its core being an issue?

Google's browser engine monopoly is useful for pushing anti-consumer web standards like Manifest v3 and Widevine. They haven't been able to leverage it against big corporations and I'm not sure how they could.

Chrome on the other hand will certainly be weaponized even more than it is already.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by onionisafruit »

veb wrote: post #345
dang wrote: post #276

Are people here actually trying this out or is it vaporware as of yet? I ask because this seems ambiguous: The new Bing is live today “for desktop limited preview,” but it appears users are only able to “ask” one of a number of preset queries and receive the same results each time. There is also a waitlist to sign up for full access in the future. If it's just an announcement of an announcement*, we should downweight…

Get this, if you use Edge, with bing as search by default and join the waitlist, then another button appears "get access faster" or something, which then takes you to a page to make sure you've defaulted everything to Microsoft, and you've scanned a QR code to download a Bing mobile app. I can't be bothered _all_ of that. Mainly the addition of a new mobile app.

Microsoft is using this announcement to get people to install "Bing Wallpaper" and a mobile app.

That doesn't inspire confidence.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by vlovich123 »

siva7 wrote: post #381
fnikacevic wrote: post #334

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Might become the largest case of the innovator's dilemma ever.

This has to be the best case of Innovator's dilemma i've ever witnessed. Even more tragic when thinking that literally every Manager at Google knows this pattern or book.

I think the Innovator's Dilemma is an inexorable part of a large middle management bureaucracy. The management and product orgs look to isolate themselves from risky bottom-up innovation because they want to avoid things that risk the brand / aren't on message. Similarly, the lower rungs are focusing on demonstrable "impact" and there's no rewards for experiments that fail which means any "risks" taken are all safe hedges that are in-line with incremental bets that can't disrupt the status quo. Therefore the only "innovation" at large companies is that which is allow-listed is that by the top of the management chain.

That being said, it's still too early to tell here. Microsoft is releasing "something". Whether it's any good or whether Google will respond too late is too hard to tell. AFAIK, there's published research that shows that Google's LLM is actually significantly better than ChatGPT, so is it going to take them all that long to productize it ("long" in terms of having a significant impact on market share)?

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by WorldMaker »

Fatnino wrote: post #280
partiallypro wrote: post #250

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IMO, the integration with Edge is far more important. Then you are taking it with you anywhere and eventually I'm sure you can just have it interact with a page you're on. Google losing Chrome users in a measurable way would be massive. One challenge though is how this will work on mobile devices where Google will have a much more entrenched advantage.

Are people using Edge? I don't use windows much anymore so I wouldn't know. But yesterday my dad asked for help logging into TurboTax. He had the login page open in Edge and ui elements were just not responding to clicks. I didn't spend any time trying to debug that and simply opened the page in Firefox where it worked perfectly.

Edge since the Chromium switch is cross-platform now. You can use Edge on Mac or Linux, too. It's not just for Windows.

I prefer Firefox these days, but my work won't let me install Firefox right now so I'm using Edge on my work laptop as the best of the allowed options.

At home Edge is the only Chromium browser I keep installed as I've always disliked Chrome itself but now there's far too many websites taking a "Works Only in Chrome" approach. (My company's vendors doing the same the likeliest reason installing Firefox got forbidden. Sigh. I remember that era of IE6 when everyone was still mostly happy with IE6 and "Works Only in IE6" was fine and not a threat and continue to worry about the current "Chromium Hegemony".)

Ironically, I was big fan of Spartan-Renderer Edge (from Windows 8 and the first few years of Windows 10) and Chromium-Based Edge just still feels so much like a sad shell of What Once Was. Though I do appreciate native vertical tabs now, at least. I guess that's one good thing to come out of killing a good alternative renderer.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by cwkoss »

avereveard wrote: post #166
jimrandomh wrote: post #5

This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…

Humanity never had a choice, I wonder what is the thought process of people that claim otherwise, like how did they get to that conclusion?

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Post by jnsie »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #378
shortrounddev wrote: post #354

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I've been full on the Microsoft train for the last few years and am glad to see it finally paying off. I will no longer have to feel ashamed when sharing my screen and accidentally showing my coworkers my thousands of Bing rewards points

You get paid to bing?

There's a pretty good microsoftrewards subreddit and a sticky that explains everything. Won't pay off the mortgage but if you're a bing/windows/xbox user it can add up to gift cards, etc.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by resource0x »

huijzer wrote: post #421
HDThoreaun wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

Since we’re on a technical site here, can I ask why ChatGPT cost exponentially more to run? The inference time for a neural net is constant so I’d say that it scales linearly with the number of users.

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34390123

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by HDThoreaun »

huijzer wrote: post #421
HDThoreaun wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

Since we’re on a technical site here, can I ask why ChatGPT cost exponentially more to run? The inference time for a neural net is constant so I’d say that it scales linearly with the number of users.

I wasn't talking big O lol, maybe orders of magnitude would've been better?
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