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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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I’m really curious as to how on Earth did Google fumble the ball on this stuff? It’s hilarious that their search offering has been so bad for so long that the new Big Idea in Search is “What if you searched something and the returned result wasn’t garbage?”

It’s not a fumble, more like a fundamental limit of the public corporation. Google has an established cash flow that relies on search and people clicking through to websites full of more ads. Once Google perfected that revenue model, they were pretty much locked in. They could explore new revenue streams in new areas like cars or speakers, but investors would howl for blood if they tried to reinvent the search experience at the cost of revenue growth.

These LLMs change the revenue model too much. Imagine how many ads a person sees over the course of researching the best TV to buy. Clicking and clicking on dozens of pages and seeing hundreds of ads. In the Bing demo, they asked for the best gaming TV and boom, there was the gaming TV I just bought after doing the research myself the long way. No clicks, no revenue.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

they'd have to get ChatGPT to stop spewing up made up bullshit and fake academic citations first, which I think is a bit of a bigger problem than many seem to be considering. the outcome will still be hilarious though, so it's win win for the onlookers I guess edit: all the responses here who think the garbage is "just fine, at least it's not SEO" are similarly hilarious. as though SEO would not be polluting the AI a…

This is a commonly echoed complaint but it’s largely without merit. ChatGPT spews nonsense because it has no access to information outside of its training set.

In the context of a search engine, single shot learning with the top search results should mitigate almost all hallucination.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Until an AI can answer questions like "what 44-pad QFN has marking DM164495-12" I'm not interested. In fact I don't want conversational, I want grep. It's disturbing how much computing power is being spent on AI search when it could be used for something more like actual grep.

I used it for actual grep and it worked like magic. I copy pasted an entire reddit thread and asked it to extract out all the usernames from that thread and it was able to. Just like that!

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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1) If google goes from making .1 cents to .05 cents per search they've got big, big existentially sized problems. If microsoft does they're extremely happy to have users at all. 2) This might work for a while, but I refuse to believe people are that dumb. They'd find out eventually.

1) Fair. 2) The masses aren't remotely aware of how their ideas and behaviors have been manipulated by PR experts for their entire lives, and that isn't about to change.

Big difference between "don't care" and "uninformed". I don't care that google is advertising to me in the way they currently do, I would if all the responses were ads though, or if I wasn't able to tell what is from what isn't.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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> they better start figuring out how to let writers opt out of this horseshit I don't say this happily, but I think you can go ahead and make plans assuming that isn't going to happen.

It will though. Nothing in this world is free, least of all greed and ignorance.

Hopefully you have other skills because the wagon wheel makers can whine all they want but the automobile is coming

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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If I were an advertiser, I would be keenly interested in how my client's products can be embedded into natural-sounding AI conversation. That is an extraordinary valuable innovation and Google can charge accordingly. Meanwhile, MS has a lot of catching up to do in the ad space.

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Lol.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

Edge is genuinely very very good. It does have some dev tool problems that I've run into, but for browser it's top notch.

It seems to have inherited Chrome's amnesiac address bar search. Firefox never has any trouble showing appropriate search results from my local history, whereas on the occasional occasion that I need to test something with Edge, it's always a crapshoot whether the address bar search will return anything at all, or (with live search suggestions disabled) stay maddeningly empty, even when the page in question is definitively still in my history and I'm verbatim entering the page title into the address bar.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Edge is genuinely very very good. It does have some dev tool problems that I've run into, but for browser it's top notch.

I like Edge and I want to like Bing but my problem is that the new tab page on Edge and the landing page on (current) Bing are so bad. They're full of random junk and articles I don't want to see. I'll switch to Bing full time if they just make the landing page clean.

I actually got in trouble at work because I submitted - what I thought was a polite - service ticket to set an Edge enterprise policy to make the new tab page blank. For 6 months every day all I saw was Trump this, Trump that. I stay away from politics; I've lost too many friends and family members. The problem was that for a while Edge was updating in a way that broke the preference you could set to blank the new tab page. I'd set it, it'd go blank for a week, then an Edge update would roll out and I'd see orange man again. I work in IT, so I'm always opening new tabs to our ServiceNow instance. I'd see ridiculous, inflammatory political articles while conferencing with other staff and outside customers and it was a huge distraction. I submitted a ticket to ask that our Edge policy be updated to blank this page always, and then I was reamed for being too sensitive. Also - same as the other poster - Edge is constantly nagging me to let Microsoft anonymously submit more data.

I'd love to love Edge because it's a big improvement over Chrome just by having vertical tabs, but both companies are too greedy to provide a good browser.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Did you hoover up anything from books you've read?

And your point is what exactly?

That most people who are very concerned about AI learning from their work have themselves learned from other peoples’ work.

Culture is accretive. We all contribute, none of us create net new from scratch.

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