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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by btown »

theropost wrote: post #276
asim wrote: post #224

People forget that Larry Page's ultimate goal was to have Google predict what you wanted before you even asked for it. This isn't about hype. This isn't about beating the competition. This is about delivering on a 3 decade dream that's now coming to fruition and Sundar just happens to be the one leading the org as it manifests in the real world. We're going to end up with 10+ vertically integrated AI solutions like t…

I'd love for this to be true. I bought into the Google ecosystem in a huge way, but it seems like they have been more focused on the data collection, and advertising end of things, rather than the innovation, and productivity enablement one. Their ecosystem has consitently been a let down in many regards, and they have lost a lot of forward momentum. I hope they can super charge this stuff, but I feel their corporate…

One thing's for sure - it's much easier to quantitatively define an OKR for growing advertising mindshare (especially when you operate the exchanges that measure that mindshare!), than it is to, say, define an OKR for how a project loosely contributes to Google leading the mindshare in the movement towards generative AI outputs as they redefine practically every job in the world.

And I'm certain that however much Google historically stressed that OKRs aren't tied to performance reviews, there's a lot of fear that deviating from OKRs could trigger one being on the top of the list for the next round of layoffs. So there are definitely headwinds that could stifle experimentation and innovation in such a brave new world. For Google's sake I hope that top leadership is redoubling its efforts to get buy-in up and down the management chain for redesigning structures to allow innovation to take place.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by nblgbg »

carom wrote: post #195
nblgbg wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My standard habbit when I don't find what I want is to append site:reddit.com site:news.ycombinator.com site:github.com site:stackoverflow.com. Mostly I get what I wanted!

Which is funny because those results get us human insight into our topics. Most top results now are completely non-sensical SEO generated word dumps. Google's search engine rating programs have failed beyond belief.

Completely agree, most of the search results are SEO generated. Lets imagine what happens in near future with ChatGPT ?

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by make3 »

sbazerque wrote: post #205
make3 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as someone who did nlp research at Google, Google had a ChatGPT level chatbot 3 years ago and did nothing with it

This sounds a bit like those stories about Kodak having a digital camera before anybody else did, and they just fearfully watched the thing from a distance doing nuthing until someone else brought it to market and ended the party for them. May be an entirely different thing this time of course. But still...

Well they had a giant conversational size bigger than GPT3. It was not as safe or good at following instructions as ChatGPT. But it was as flowing as it is. So maybe it's an exaggeration (this word has two gs in english!?) to say that it's as good, but it was also extremely strong and impressive

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by GrantS »

whalesalad wrote: post #20

Bard is such a funny name. I tried to, no pun intended, google it and it autocorrected to brad.

Possibly a reference to the 1956 Isaac Asimov short story "Someday": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Someday_(short_story)

"The story concerns a pair of boys who dismantle and upgrade an old Bard, a child's computer whose sole function is to generate random fairy tales. The boys download a book about computers into the Bard's memory in an attempt to expand its vocabulary, but the Bard simply incorporates computers into its standard fairy tale repertoire..."

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by espadrine »

aka878 wrote: post #270
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The announcement is probably targeting Wall Street more than any potential "user" (aka advertising target). The press was already bad - internal "code red" at Google due to panic that people saw ChatGPT as an alternative to search. Meta/FaceBook's head of AI, Yann LeCun, is in similar panic mode, issuing a non-stop torrent of tweets about how useless and unimpressive ChatGPT has... Presumably a reflection that FaceBo…

I don’t understand Yann LeCun‘s reaction considering reputation of the company he works for - they should have already copied and integrated it somewhere.

This may put it into perspective: Yann pushed for and released Galactica.org, a website that generated articles for any prompt requesting information, on 15 November, before the release of ChatGPT. Internal pressure inside Meta caused it to shut down three days later, because it was thought to risk the company’s reputation more than Libra and the Metaverse.

The issue isn’t that Yann didn’t publish an AI app; it is that they did, and it was not as good.

The reality is that OpenAI was lucky. Inside the company, there is an alignment department whose effort was driven to help models share human ethics, and that was initially a bit marginalized. However, one of their projects, RLHF, ended up producing a much superior language model, when they could have initially assumed it would be worse.

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Post by xen2xen1 »

wiremine wrote: post #232

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

Because sitting at a computer or a phone is, in fact, unnatural. We are trained to do that. Asking a question of another person is natural. If you can get Alexa or Google assistant to reliably, without lying, answer questions, that could be huge. Caveats, but so much $ is put into those things and they suck. Also, if you could get a Google AI to be like a real assistant, context and understanding of what you're doing, that could also be huge. Just getting the assitants of the world to really intract would slice a large piece off the Google search pie, and potentially set up whoever does that well to be the next major interface to tech.

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Post by awb »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #313
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #304

Question for AI experts out there: ChatGPT is awesome, but it is obviously hamstrung by the fact that it crawled the web at the end of 2021, so all of its data is essentially "frozen" and it doesn't "know" of any topics that occurred after 2021. Seems to me like the next "holy grail" in large language models is building a model that can be continually updated. If Google can achieve that, I think they could leapfrog O…

You don't need to retrain the model to access fresh data. You can just tune the model to generate queries to various sources (search engine, etc) to retrieve data.

> You can just tune the model to generate queries to various sources (search engine, etc) to retrieve data.

That sounds like a task runner instead of a LLM

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by ipaddr »

rvz wrote: post #87

But but but 'Google is done', 'it is all over for Google Search', 'Google will be dead in 2 years'. /s Such recent headlines and early proclamations of Google's competitiveness in AI have been erroneously under-estimated here. As soon as OpenAI announces their AI advancement and model, someone else with more money (i.e Google) scales up the parameters, training data to surpass them. The only way to make both of Googl…

Google hasn't released anything.. overhyping and under delivering so far.

This product if successful initially kills content creators reason for creating content and creates this cycle where the ai has less information to use and becomes useless.

I would block google if they took content and provided no visitors.

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Post by gundmc »

I'm interested in what the "Check It" button at the bottom of the generated chat response will do. If that shows information attribution this could be huge. I also can't help but notice the responses in this article and the linked research blog post seem to be much shorter than those given by ChatGPT. I wonder if this is a character limit imposed to reduce compute overhead?
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