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Bard and new AI features in Search
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#312Can Bing or Google better integrate ChatGPT or similar to retain users? Isn't that the question?
The problem with ChatGPT being confident and wrong brings up the chance of litigation, of course.
The problem for search engines, surely, is that people will get their answers from AI rather than from a search engine, laden with its advertisers.
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#313Question for AI experts out there: ChatGPT is awesome, but it is obviously hamstrung by the fact that it crawled the web at the end of 2021, so all of its data is essentially "frozen" and it doesn't "know" of any topics that occurred after 2021. Seems to me like the next "holy grail" in large language models is building a model that can be continually updated. If Google can achieve that, I think they could leapfrog O…
You don't need to retrain the model to access fresh data. You can just tune the model to generate queries to various sources (search engine, etc) to retrieve data.
Re: Bard and new AI features in Search
#314Question for AI experts out there: ChatGPT is awesome, but it is obviously hamstrung by the fact that it crawled the web at the end of 2021, so all of its data is essentially "frozen" and it doesn't "know" of any topics that occurred after 2021. Seems to me like the next "holy grail" in large language models is building a model that can be continually updated. If Google can achieve that, I think they could leapfrog O…
Disclaimer: I am not an AI expert.
I think it depends on how reliable you want this AI to be. Opening search indexing to realtime data is what led to the endless mess we call SEO, and I fear that doing the same for AI invites the same problems.
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#315I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…
I don't think most people realize how much infrastructure separates something like ChatGPT from Google-scale deployment. OpenAI isn't suddenly building transoceanic fiber and datacenters near most major population centers. They aren't signing production-ready contract vehicles with most major OEMs and governments. And in the gap it would take a new entrant to acquire 10% of those assets, Google has 100,000 engineers…
As someone using OpenAI in production, I can attest to the lack of stability and consistent performance in the current offering. Depending on the time of the day (and who knows what else), the same calls to GPT3 can take from 500ms to 15 seconds.
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#316I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…
I don't think most people realize how much infrastructure separates something like ChatGPT from Google-scale deployment. OpenAI isn't suddenly building transoceanic fiber and datacenters near most major population centers. They aren't signing production-ready contract vehicles with most major OEMs and governments. And in the gap it would take a new entrant to acquire 10% of those assets, Google has 100,000 engineers…
Maybe it’s changed now, but last time I looked, Google had failed to materially diversify its income, so it is susceptible to competition. All that expensive infrastructure is going to be a weight around Google’s neck if their search revenues start falling.
Of course, even if search revenue falls, it won’t happen overnight.
But I honestly don’t see how laying all that fibre or owning those data centres is a moat around Google. These things are hugely capital intensive, to be sure, but theres a big market for both.
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#317Earlier quoted context omitted.
All they have to do it add a link to the front page of Google and they will automatically get more users in day than ChatGPT.
I would guess they don't have enough available computing resources for that.
Might be the reason why they are choosing to use a lightweight version of the model.
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#318The blog post is an example of why when you go through a number of edits and additions from various internal groups, marketing, legal, compliance etc. you end up with a message that's a lot of words but not a lot of information for any key audience. I went through the article 3 times thinking I missed the link to try out Bard, get some sense of timeline, roll-out plan...nothing. Come on Google...
This kind of no information exec-speak is very painful to read. I had to pass it through ChatGPT to summarize. THe whole article can be summarized in 1 sentence without any loss of information: "Google will name it's chatbot Bard and it be based on Lambda model, initially small size". No link, no other details, basically a lot of words to say nothing at all.
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#319Assuming this is as good as ChatGPT it's interesting that they have had this up their sleeves but decided not to release it – I wonder why?
I've heard a lot of people comment about how only a private tech startup like OpenAI could realistically have released something like ChatGPT today, because ChatGPT requires a huge amount of capital to build (and run) and provides some fairly controversial answers which public investors might not like.
I suppose it's interesting that Google seems to disagree with this. Although the "lightweight model version" line makes me suspect this is a slightly different system and perhaps more easily sandboxed than ChatGPT.
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#320People forget that Larry Page's ultimate goal was to have Google predict what you wanted before you even asked for it. This isn't about hype. This isn't about beating the competition. This is about delivering on a 3 decade dream that's now coming to fruition and Sundar just happens to be the one leading the org as it manifests in the real world. We're going to end up with 10+ vertically integrated AI solutions like t…
I'd love for this to be true. I bought into the Google ecosystem in a huge way, but it seems like they have been more focused on the data collection, and advertising end of things, rather than the innovation, and productivity enablement one. Their ecosystem has consitently been a let down in many regards, and they have lost a lot of forward momentum. I hope they can super charge this stuff, but I feel their corporate…
Having all humans as the target audience means that it will always be more profitable to make users the product instead of making them the customer. This in turn means that incentives are not geared towards being in the interest of the user.