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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by ZiiS »

wiremine wrote: post #232

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

The question becomes dose the best model win; or dose Google's existing processes, infrastructure, and advertising relationships allow it to purchase or reimplement the best model?

Probably still an open question but a better chance then anyone has had to disrupt them for two decades.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by badestrand »

wiremine wrote: post #232

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

> what am I missing? Why would a chatbot like ChatGPT disrupt Google vs forcing Google to simply evolve.

Because it's not clear yet whether anyone else can currently develop a chatbot interface as capable as ChatGPT.

For many ChatGPT is already replacing a lot of Google searches so G needs to hurry.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by jjcon »

brap wrote: post #206

I’m curious to hear why Google isn’t going to win in this AI arms race. The way I see it, Google: * is effectively the gateway to the internet, owning the most popular website in the world, mobile OS, and browser * has infinite LIVE data, both unstructured and structured (knowledge graph) * has infinite compute resources * employs the world’s best AI scientists and invests heavily in AI * has decade(s) of experience…

That may all be the case but then why has Google been failing to innovate and also maintain anything the past few years?

The past fews years we’ve seen Google products die and deteriorate. Search has gotten worse, they’ve killed dozens of products and services (even ones that they promised would be around for the long haul). GPhotos is no longer free (after putting most competitors out of business).

Google lack any institutional commitment and consistency to succeed at much these days. One only need to look at their recent past to see why everyone is skeptical. Maybe they will pull a rabbit from their hat but I’m not holding my breath.

That is all not to mention the pending real antitrust issues they are facing.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by lotsofpulp »

gundmc wrote: post #194
lotsofpulp wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one came close to gmail's 1GB free inbox at the time. Which kept increasing and showed you at the bottom of the inbox. Plus it had amazing spam detection, and was stupid fast, and got better and better very quickly. I remember having a gmail email was almost a litmus test to whether or not you were paying attention to what was going on in tech. Not having a gmail email indicated you might not be keeping up with th…

Agreed on all your points! But I think offering a better service in an established sector is the opposite of "no competition" and being a "first mover".

Like how we would say a professional sports player playing against an amateur has no competition. Technically, yes, but effectively...

The context of the discussion is whether or not an "invite only" tactic works for building hype and launching a successful product. In that sense, I would attribute Gmail's success not to the "invite only" tactic, but to the fact that it was so superior that it had no competition.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by enneff »

dougmwne wrote: post #264
enneff wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work at google and have used their AI tools and they’re just as impressive as the OpenAI ones (which I use personally, outside of work). Both have been developing products, just google hasn’t released any of them.

Have you done adversarial testing? How easy is it to jailbreak Bard vs. ChatGPT? Can Bard produce code?

Obviously I am unable to discuss the details, as much as I might like to. Sorry.

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Post by theropost »

asim wrote: post #224

People forget that Larry Page's ultimate goal was to have Google predict what you wanted before you even asked for it. This isn't about hype. This isn't about beating the competition. This is about delivering on a 3 decade dream that's now coming to fruition and Sundar just happens to be the one leading the org as it manifests in the real world. We're going to end up with 10+ vertically integrated AI solutions like t…

I'd love for this to be true. I bought into the Google ecosystem in a huge way, but it seems like they have been more focused on the data collection, and advertising end of things, rather than the innovation, and productivity enablement one. Their ecosystem has consitently been a let down in many regards, and they have lost a lot of forward momentum. I hope they can super charge this stuff, but I feel their corporate structure/environment is their biggest hurdle at this point. They have capable people, and brilliant minds, but the structure of the organization, and them being beholden to their market/shareholders gives them little room to innovate in these areas. Hopefully the prove me wrong.

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Post by mejutoco »

impulser_ wrote: post #214
andrewstuart wrote: post #60

Lotus 123, Borland and Wordperfect were at the top of the software world. They failed to make the transition to GUIs/Windows. Microsoft missed the arrival of the web. Microsoft also missed the mobile revolution and ended up with zero mobile operating system market share. Internet Explorer, having vanquished Netscape, declared "job done" and stopped developing the web browser further, only to be cast to irrelevance fo…

Crazy to say this about a company with a 5y CAGR of 25% at nearly 300b in yearly revenue. That more growth than Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, and pretty much any other large tech company. Google time has passed? They still have 7-8 products with more than a billion monthly users. If you go back and look at the company you listed. They die because they were poorly ran companies. Google isn't a poorly ran company.

Not a dog in this fight but an alternative to dying would be to become ibm (to be seen as irrelevant).

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Post by gchokov »

asim wrote: post #224

People forget that Larry Page's ultimate goal was to have Google predict what you wanted before you even asked for it. This isn't about hype. This isn't about beating the competition. This is about delivering on a 3 decade dream that's now coming to fruition and Sundar just happens to be the one leading the org as it manifests in the real world. We're going to end up with 10+ vertically integrated AI solutions like t…

Sundar did nothing but failed projects. Google is still where it was many years ago.

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Post by foooobaba »

londons_explore wrote: post #88
dizzydes wrote: post #46

> Soon, you’ll see AI-powered features in Search Despite this blog obviously being written for Wall St, this line is key. This is why anyone is going to struggle to compete with Google in AI. Google Search is used so widely and its taxonomy of meaning so vast already that once they flip this on they’ll be unstoppable. (Assuming any rate of improvement whatsoever as we search.) I’m not mentioning all other learning da…

I wonder how long till they open it up to your private data stored in Google? Eg. User: What should I be doing today? AI: You have a court appearance at 9am. Prioritize that, because failing to appear might result in an arrest warrant. Next, prioritize your mums birthday - all the other family will be there, and with your mums cancer results last week, this might be the last. If you travel between them by bus, then y…

User: What should I be doing today?

AI: You have a court appearance today, I have booked a route for you on google maps. Next buy a gift for your mum’s birthday, here are some recommendations sorted by ad spend spend. For your travel, I recommend these options, sorted by ad spend.

Me: What about the leaking faucet in my house?

AI: You don't have the time to fix it yourself, here is a list of contractors that can fix the leak, sorted by google ad spend.

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